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Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Jim Watson, Oct 25, 2021.

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  1. Jim Watson

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    SA 1911oids don't have firing pin obstructions either.
    I wonder if they have played the titanium firing pin card on the BHP for drop safety.
     
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    I was pretty excited when I opened an email from Brownells today, I didn’t expect to see this! They have it listed for $679 but not in stock, I can’t wait to see one in person. I’ve been wanting one for quite a while.
     
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    Will this have any affect on original series BHP prices? I keep eyeing one at my LGS with target rear sights but its $1500
     
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    The reissued Python is selling well and doesn't seem to have affected prices on vintage examples.....we shall see if the same applies to the Hi-Power. It will almost certainly drive down prices on FEGs and might kill the Regent altogether.
     
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    I will be getting one!

    Hey Smith & Wesson, what's your excuse for not releasing an updated 3rd gen?
     
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    Probably smarter that they source the parts from Croatia (who is already making the XD guns), since Turkey is on very thin ice with the DoD and State Dept. over human rights abuses and the purchase of Russian missile systems in violation of NATO rules. If Trump had been reelected, Turkish small arms imports would almost certainly be off the table, and this would be low-hanging fruit for the Biden Admin too if Erdogan does anything too egregious- such as if evidence of a major Turk military massacre of Kurds surfaced.

    The Croats have their own issues in this regard, of course, but they have been behaving themselves for some years now......

    I kinda wish they would reengage with IMBEL- those were mostly top-notch guns and parts.
     
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    Not enough civilian demand and LE all carry cheap plastic guns now. Still tons of used ones out there. Worn out machine tooling. Labor costs. Material costs........take your pick.

    To produce and sell a 6906 under a grand these days, they would almost certainly have to off-shore major parts as well, and S&W has limited partnership experience with overseas arms manufacturing concerns, unlike SA who have outsourced all over the world for years.
     
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    Yet, CZ can make and sell various models of heavy all steel guns that have no LE contracts for 1200- 3500 bucks.
    Beretta sells now 2 all steel guns for 1400.
    Sig makes an alloy framed 320 and they bring 1200 bucks all day long.
    An updated 3rd gen performance model geared towards games would sell.
     
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    The appearance of the trigger in the guard, it sure looks as though it could be double action. Wiki claims it was adopted in 1935, and yet the Germans issued the double action P 38 in 1938. I am surprised it is single action only.

    A firing pin block is important. As Drake Gun Works showed, drop a 1911 far enough, and the inertia of the firing pin will ignite a cartridge.

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    Appearances deceive. The standard BHP is and always has been SAO, even though FN eventually made some DA variants and Browning USA had the similar appearing BDM.

    Timelines are completely different. Mr Browning and FN started work on a RFP from France in 1923. After Mr Browning's death in 1926, D. Saive at FN kept plugging away. The design had been essentially finalized in 1931 and the only obvious change since 1929 was to delete the 1911 style separate barrel bushing. But France reneged on the deal - I have seen a picture of a last gasp FN offering in 7.65 French - and what with the Great Depression, nobody else took an interest until Belgium went with the home market FN as the P35.

    The Germans did not even start work on what became the P38 until 1935. A crash program, they had a final form in 1938 and were building guns in 1939. Had to wait until 1940 to issue, the holster makers were slower to get going.

    I don't know how the California drop test compares with Mr Drake's, but while Colt, Kimber, and Auto Ordnance 1911 types have mechanical firing pin obstructions, others including Wilson, Baer, Brown, Springfield, Nighthawk, and SVI do not; presumably depending on titanium firing pins and strong springs.
     
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    When Tisas stopped selling their Hi Power copy (Regent) the explanation was that they were exploring a deal with a US company to be the exclusive importer. That sure seems like the main components are being sourced from Turkey with enough finish work to claim its made here. Springfield Armory Inc. has been creatively obscuring where their firearms are actually made for decades. They also imply they are the same as the historic Springfield Armory. So I wouldn't take vague statements about these Hi Powers at face value.
     
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    I would enjoy seeing one with a light rail. Would make a superb home defense firearm.

    What is the parts compatibility compared to the genuine article? I would home there would be a good amount.
     
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    If you’re ever in Geneseo and happen by the Springfield “factory” you’ll note a lack of smoke as there’s no foundry, no forge, no CNCs; nothing but an assembly line and workers busy putting things like slides and frames together outside of the Custom Shop.

    Still, they put out a good product, and if you think about what they sell, they are all tried and true designs without the expense of R&D or huge equipment costs. Croatian HS2000s, 1911s, M1As, ARs, and now BHPs.

    Rest assured they will not be assembled from US sourced parts.
     
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    IMO they command that price based on limited availability. Like Glock being the first manufacturer to go all-in on polymer frames and cornering the market until that market exploded. H&K may have beaten them to it, but Glock drove the bus to our current state. I would bet they sell 1,000 for every steel framed pistol CZ puts out.

    Springfield, if you’re listening, do things right, including the finish, and get shipping already!!!
     
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    Much like how many people think Henry Repeating Arms rifles are made by the same company who made them during the Civil War.

    Just not so.
     
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    I need another 9mm like I need another ex-wife, but that most likely won't stop me from getting one.

    The 9mm that is.
     
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    Neat, looks good. Still have the mag disconnect I wonder? Probably be smart if they left that out.

    Too bad they didn’t add just a little better beavertail to stop hammer bite.

    But then again I think I’m done with the BHP anyway so I hope everyone who gets one is thrilled, it’s a nice design.
     
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    The SAI HiPower may be the answer I've been looking for. I've always wanted a gen-u-wine Browning made... and assembled... HiPower... but as someone mentioned, the prices are beyond crazy, and I'm just a poor working man. The one BHP I owned, back in the '90's... a 'Belgian made, Portuguese-assembled' rattle trap POS... was less than I had hoped for. Once the fanfare dies down, and they are available at retail price... I'll probably take a chance on one, although I would rather have a gloss blue one, quite honestly.

    I don't really care if it's assembled from parts made elsewhere, much like my Port BHP, as long as it's assembled correctly... unlike my Port BHP.
     
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    Why choose when you can have both? Ask me how I know.
     
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    It will be interesting to see real guns in knowledgeable hands. There are people who can identify the maker of a 19ll by the subtle contours of the receiver. Can you spot the source of a Browning copy that way?


    They omitted the magazine disconnect, see, no pin through the trigger blade.

    They claim that the high hammer rowel averts hammer bite. I dunno, I can shoot a real FN without pain.

    Me, too.

    But they did bring it into line with the present popular image of a BHP. And note that the price is in line with RIA 1911 above the GI configuration.
     
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    They certainly weren't going to be able to replace the Canadian issue model, and most other large buyers won't either. From the perspective of how long it would take to replace an expensive legacy fabricated tooling setup vs polymer, it was a foregone conclusion, especially at Euro pay rates.

    The Turks however are pwning the handgun market and we should enjoy it while it lasts. And not to forget, FEG has their HiPower clone out now, too, for those who didn't know.
     
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    If things get back to normal and the SA-35 ends up around $500 it'll be a boon for those that have an eye for a HP but not the wallet. I'm kinda bummed that they came out with this gun after I retired. I would be sweet to get one at the employee price.
     
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    It would be sweet to get a quality BHP at under $1000.... in today's market, anyway.
     
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