Springfield GI .45 vs. Rock island no BS?

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  1. msmyth

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    Both are decent

    I own an SA "loaded" 1911 and an Rock Island. $300 difference. The Rock island has never failed me, and is every bit as accurate as the SA. I've shot about 3,000 rounds through each so far, without any problem from either one. Both are imports, both go bang. Seems to me I paid for a name on the SA.
     
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    >>Seems to me I paid for a name on the SA.<<
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    Nope. You paid for a machined steel frame and slide as opposed to investment castings. Cast is cheaper to produce.
     
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    Tuner -

    I have a Rock Island in my 1911 stable...it would all most be worth it to let you shoot it till it died, just to see.... :)
     
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    Tuner's comment wasn't a knock on Rock Island...I'ts just a fact. Even Ivan would agree with it.
     
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    Rock in the Stable

    Well, Hacker...It's a dirty job, but I guess somebody's gotta do it. *sigh* Bring
    it on! :D
     
  6. 10-Ring

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    I prefer the SA GI 45
     
  7. wally

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    RIA cast frame and slide vs SA two piece barrel.

    Name your poison, gotta cut cornors somewhere to make a price point.

    Amoung guns I've handled, RIA/Armscor have had better triggers out of the box than the SA I've handled. Individual guns do vary, so it may be better to not buy the first example you look at.

    I've three RIA/Armscor guns that are over 8000 rounds each. Couldn't be happier with them.

    --wally.
     
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    2-piece barrels have been around for a long time. You can find'em even in some high-quality pistols. If they're well-made, you'll never know the difference unless you're chasing 2-inch groups at 50 yards.

    Well-made investment castings are also very good. Bill Ruger proved that. The problem with an investment cast 1911 frame and slide is that...there are so many sharp corners...and corners promote stress cracking. If a crack starts, it travels fast, and you usually can't stop it by check-drilling the way you can with machined steel.

    I've used a couple of Thompson Auto Ordnance pistols as beaters. Nobody can argue that those castings weren't junk...and yet, the frames lasted well into 35,000 round territory. The slides didn't fare as well, giving up the ghost
    in about 20,000 or so. When the slides broke, they gave zero warning, and broke clear through in both cases.

    The areas to keep an eye on are: (Slide)Junction of spring tunnel and slide at the corners. Rear corners of the rails and ways. Ejection port at the junction of the port and first locking lug.(Frame) Junction of rails and dust cover. Slidestop crosspin hole at the bottom. In the rail/way corners on the undersides. For some reason, the left side seems to be more prone to cracking here.

    On a final note...If you do happen to shoot one loose, and want to peen or swage the frame rails to tighten it up, cast rails don't usually do too well for this. Some have peened cast frames with good results, while others have
    had them brreak clean off with the first hammer fall. Count me in the second
    category. The slides don't tolerate squeezing in a vise at all. Ask me how I know...:rolleyes:

    For a shooter who doesn't plan on using the gun enough to require 2 or 3 rebuilds and refittings...they're fine. If you shoot as much as 30,000 rounds annually, and figure on rebuilding the gun when it gets loose, machined steel is cheaper in the long run.

    Cheers!
     
  9. Hacker15E

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    If it weren't for the fact that the Queen likes to have her subjects disarmed, AND that those of us visiting from the Colonies aren't able to exercise our Constitutional rights there....I'd be more than happy to hand her over.

    :)

    On the original topic...I have both a RIA 5" and a Springfield GI .45 (as well as a couple Genuine Colts). I don't beat on my pistols quite to the same level that Tuner does...probably on the order of 1,000 rounds per pistol per year. The Rock and the Springer are both well made pistols -- the fit is every bit as good as my Colts, and they function equally as well, although the Springfield just got Tuner's expert eye and will probably be flawless for the next 10 years or so.

    Bottom line with the original poster's question is that both pistols will suit you just fine. It's really a toss up -- the RIA is less expensive and has non-MIM internals, but has the investment cast frame and slide. The Springfield has a forged slide and frame, but is more expensive (by 25-30%) and it has issues of its own (like replacement of the ILS and the strange-weights of the recoil, hammer, and firing pin springs).

    It's a trade-off...I have 'em both, heh heh.
     
  10. grislyatoms

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    I got a 1911A1 GI from Springfield a few weeks ago. I had to file down the firing pin stop a bit to get it to fit properly. It wouldn't allow the firing pin to return fully, the firing pin was dragging inside the hole in the stop. Good shooter, now.

    I had a Kimber UCII that was utter junk. It had to go back to the factory twice and still didn't work properly.

    It is entirely possible to get a lemon from any of the "good" manufacturers.
     
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    What gunsmith can totally rebuild a shot out 1911 for less than the $300 a new RIA costs? There is a point of diminishing returns.

    At 30,000 rounds I'd have spent so much on ammo the cost of the gun is pretty neglible when amortized.
    I've already spent over 3X the cost of my RIA on the ammo I've ran thru it!

    --wally.
     
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    Wally say:

    >What gunsmith can totally rebuild a shot out 1911 for less than the $300 a new RIA costs? There is a point of diminishing returns.<
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    At 75-80K, you'd have worn out...or broken...about 2.5 pistols with cast slides and frames. Now you're up to 750 bucks. Give it up, Wal. Investment cast 1911s are fine as long as they're in-spec and work...and you don't plan on pushing a quarter-million+ rounds through'em. I gave $350 each for my two Colts that are still good for another refitting or two.

    Not bashin' the RIAs. Just statin' the facts.
     
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    Ralphie! You'll put your eye out with that thing!:D

    When ya gonna bring that thing down to the range and let me take'er for a test run?:cool:
     
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    I'll have to do that soonTuner...I never did make it over the other week for that cup of coffee :scrutiny:
     
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