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SA doesn't make the pistol, HS Produkt does. They aren't going to shift manufacturing over to the US for just our benefit. The HS2000 is the standard issue handgun for the Croatian military and is sold world wide.
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....and the Croation military is known for what, and why would I care? OP stated that LE agencies are adopting the XD all over the place-pretty much a straight-forward fiction.



That's because it's a single action and despite having pretty much the same trigger as a Glock, they feel as though it's unsafe for LE work. Glocks have been used by PDs long before they made a manufacturing plant here in the US.
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...and again, why would I care what you think you might know? The Glock pistols were made for the Austrian Army in the 80s.

Croatia and it's Army are, sorry to say, known to be a 3rd world country organization where human rights are non-existant. I'm not going to ask HS Produkt to come produce anything here in my land of the free.

If you cannot Buy American at least buy from a Corp. in nations that acknowledge human rights, and have decent respect for human life, known for maintaining quality of life. That certainly AINT Croatia or their neighbors in Turkey.
 
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Jackpinsavages,

Just wanted to let you know...I was not trying to step on anyone's toes.

When I listed my list of pistols, I was just relating what I own. As I have stated, I like kind of off beat military/police type stuff. I had never even really considered the human rights abuses perpatrated by the countries of origin.

Honestly, all of these guns appear very well made and a least +decent quality and value. The Zastava is built like a tank (super easy take-down). The Turk pistol is a Beretta in every way but name (best shooter in the bunch) for 1/2 the price (value?) The Sig has the best DA/SA trigger I have ever felt (It is at least partially made in Exeter, NH) The Tanfoglio, in my opinion is a CZ-75, for those who can't afford a CZ-75.

I have not as of yet shot the XD, so I can not comment.)

I do own a SW 686

Anyway, I appreciate your opinions and feedback. My list of pistols owned was not intended to offend anyone. Just to let you know what I have and my personal opinions of each.

Gunner
 
WAIT???? what department's use this firearm?
I know of 1 only in NC.
in favor with LE???
not a terrible gun though
 
....and the Croation military is known for what, and why would I care? OP stated that LE agencies are adopting the XD all over the place-pretty much a straight-forward fiction.
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You said that if SA brought production to the US when they have no say.

...and again, why would I care what you think you might know? The Glock pistols were made for the Austrian Army in the 80s.
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My point was that it doesn't matter if it's made in the US or foreign.

If you cannot Buy American at least buy from a Corp. in nations that acknowledge human rights, and have decent respect for human life, known for maintaining quality of life. That certainly AINT Croatia or their neighbors in Turkey.
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I bought my pistol used from a friend and either way, it's still supporting those workers in Croatia.
 
hey, guys, i didn't want to start a war here. fyi, the Croats are no longer commies. the rest of the world has a long way to catch up to the 'American Way'. those people suffered genocide at the hands of Milosevic. give em a break. personally, if ALL nations had a 'second amendment', there'd be a lot less bulls... in the world. too bad nobody added such a provision in their constitutions. we're dammed lucky. we're blessed.

i love my xd, and hope that the new xd-s, s for slim, will be much easier to conceal, so that i won't have to buy that sig p238, even tho i love the feel and accuracy of that weapon.
 
No, I didn't say the Croats were "Commies".

Yes, folks DO take "Made in USA" as a consideration when spending money, vs, spending monies at/in corrupt nations that hold life to a lesser standard.(Croatia)

5X27: Really? You don't think SA has any say in where their pistols are built?! Really? That's right, I said IF SA brought production back to the US they would have more sales; similar to S&W or Glock or SIG or FN. Companies who have foreign ownership but also run high quality factories here in the U.S..

When you lose your conscience about buying American made products you have lost your Patriotism in this great nation of ours; it is similar to voting wherein if you don't do it and do it with a conscience, you lose the position to complain about the state of politics or in this case the economy/jobs.

The choice is certainly yours; pay 1st world prices for firearms built in 3rd world nations that have little respect for life. I made a simple statement about my opinion, and some folks wanted to go the disrespectful route. If you feel the need to attack in a personal manner, do it in a PM to me.
 
I bought a used XD9 a year or so back with a bad extractor.
I sent it to Springfield, they repaired it and had back at my door within a week
It has since become my favorite carry gun, sharing time with my G32.
XD is a good gun.
 
527: Really? You don't think SA has any say in where their pistols are built?! Really? That's right, I said IF SA brought production back to the US they would have more sales; similar to S&W or Glock or SIG or FN. Companies who have foreign ownership but also run high quality factories here in the U.S..
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The HS2000 has only been around 12, going on 13 years. How long did it take for FN or Glock to get their own factory here? SA can recommend they create a plant here in the US but that's all, they just receive the pistols to be sold stateside but they don't own part of HS Produkt.

When you lose your conscience about buying American made products you have lost your Patriotism in this great nation of ours; it is similar to voting wherein if you don't do it and do it with a conscience, you lose the position to complain about the state of politics or in this case the economy/jobs.
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:rolleyes:
Guess I shouldn't own an American flag because I ordered an AK 74 in which the parts originated in Bulgaria. Forget those people that assembled those into a rifle, those parts are foreign! :eek:
 
jackpinesavages said:
When you lose your conscience about buying American made products you have lost your Patriotism in this great nation of ours; it is similar to voting wherein if you don't do it and do it with a conscience, you lose the position to complain about the state of politics or in this case the economy/jobs.
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I wasn't going to say squat regarding the tenor of this discussion to this point, but I draw the line here. You don't know anything about the people you are labeling with this comment, and making such a comment without that knowledge borders on ignorance.

You're way out of line when you try to put yourself in the position to decide who is and isn't patriotic based on some petty discussion on a gun forum. There's a hell of a lot more to being patriotic than buying American made products. You are being disrespectful here.

So just chill out and buy whatever damn firearms you want from whomever you want, and keep your personal judgements to yourself. Take the high road.
 
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I like my XDs so much I have 3. 9 and 40 service, and 9 SC. 390 is the best price I've seen for a new one. I paid about that for my 40 used.
 
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Croatia and it's Army are, sorry to say, known to be a 3rd world country organization where human rights are non-existant. I'm not going to ask HS Produkt to come produce anything here in my land of the free.
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Words actually mean things y'know.

Yugoslavia was a 2nd world country.

Croatia OTOH, is a full NATO member,will be a full EU member next year,is a liberal democratic republic (just like US) and if you go by the HDI index they are a FIRST WORLD nation. Also their intentional homicide rate is ONE FIFTH ours.

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but hey, I'm just in LE. What do I know?
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Not much about recent European history for sure.
 
ditto, ditto, ditto to FiveTwoSeven, Big John 1961, and Sam Cade.

seriously, the discussion was supposed to be about XD's. i'm really sorry i mentioned the word Croats, so i guess i was the one who caused this thing to get political. i was getting the feeling that i might be better off to stay at xdtalk.com where i have made similar comments, and no one questioned anyone's or my patriotism. i just tend to foam at the mouth, and yes, i'm still crying for my baby xd .380 (muscle memory). i want SA to get a factory here to build my baby. anybody got any pull with the SA honchos? and i do respect the people who brought SA back into being. i read that the US Govt shut down the armory, and i can't remember the names of the owners, but i'm proud that they brought SA back even if only as an importer at this point. cuz i love that xd40 'o mine. can't wait to hold that new xd slim.

so to the three aforementioned highroaders, may the 1st amendment shine. i know now i can continue to come to this fabulous site. let's all take that high road!
 
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It also prevents the slide from getting pushed back when holstering in a tight holster.
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And IMO that's an advantage over the 1911 grip safety.
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Umm,
1. The 1911 manual safety locks the slide.
2. Q- If you're holding the pistol with your shooting grip, the grip safety is depressed. So how does that prevent the slide from getting pushed back?
A- You put your thumb on the back of the slide, thus releasing the grip safety, of course.
Q- So doesn't your thumb already solve this problem?
 
..."borders on ignorance", of how easy somebody else turns their back on their own country, and why it makes them upset when it is pointed out to them?

It's the reason I will not buy an XD, and has nothing to do with judging other people; I made a simple statement about why I will not own one, and some folks took THAT as a personal affront-not my problem.

No, "BigJohn", it is NOT a petty discussion nor do I see it as a minor discussion; the SA Corp. is making 1st World $Coin from the labor of a 3rd world nation. It needs to be dragged into the light, and it will be discussed with civility. Thanks for your permission to purchase the firearms I prefer. Pffft.

Sam; intentional homicide rate? In today's world of medical technology the statictics which count are aggravated assault, wherein we find more people surviving homicidal attempts than in the last 100 years.

Croatia, Turkey, Pakistan, Afghanistan....same pot of 3rd world. It's the truth.

Maybe a great pistol for somebody.
I wasn't going to say squat regarding the tenor of this discussion to this point, but I draw the line here. You don't know anything about the people you are labeling with this comment, and making such a comment without that knowledge borders on ignorance.
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Well i've written many times about my XD9 and how much I like it.
Let me put it to you this way, it's my earned money and I'll spend it as I see fit , notwithstanding your xenophobia. Take a shower.
 
jackpinesavages said:
Croatia, Turkey, Pakistan, Afghanistan....same pot of 3rd world. It's the truth.
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What the heck are you talking about?

Dude, Turkey is a First World Country. They have been a NATO member since 1952 have the second largest army in NATO and their PPP has doubled in the last 10 years. Turkey is well on their way to being an honest to god superpower. 3rd world...sheesh..
 
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