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  1. CTGunner

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    I recently purchased a case of 1k rounds of Aguila 9mm. I have been shooting this brand for 2 years and never had any issues at all. So far In this case I have experienced 3 light primer strikes, 2 with a glock 19 and 1 with a cz 75, no big deal but not common for me with this brand. But today I experienceed a squib. Luckily the bullet did exit the barrel and I found it a few feet away. The empty she'll had a yellowish colored material in it which I assume was from the primer. So, I still have 500 rounds from this case....should I chalk this up to random chance or is it possible there were some quality control issues with this batch? I'm a little hesitant to continue shooting it. Any thoughts on how best to handle?
     
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    Contact the mfr with the lot number and advise them of the problems and they will probably replace it.
     
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    I would consider 3 misfires and a squib load in 500 rounds unexceptable with bad reloads.
    Let alone new factory ammo.

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  4. CTGunner

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    Thanks guys. It's good to get another perspective. I just emailed them about the squib and provided them the Lot number. I will repost if/when they contact me.
     
  5. Panzerschwein

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    Keep us updated. Let's see if this Mexican ammo company makes things right.
     
  6. Longhorn 76

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    I don't see how a "light primer strike" can be blamed on the ammunition.
     
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    Assuming service pistols like Glock and CZ in stock condition, I darned well would blame a misfire on the ammo.
     
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    ^ this. If he has put light springs our otherwise modded the guns then of course you can not blame the ammo. But to have it happen with 2 pistols suggests strongly that it is the aquila ammunition that is at fault.

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  9. CTGunner

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    2 of the misfires happened with a stock gen 4 glock 19. The other happened with a hammer fired cz p01. I didn't mention the misfires in my email letter to Aguila just the squib as I considered that the more dangerous of the 2 situations. I never considered aguila to be low quality. I have always found it shot very well for a reasonable let price. If they get back to me I will let them know about the misfires as well.
     
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    I reloaded a batch of 9mm rounds using Winchester small pistol primers that I had a number of failure to fire the first time in two different guns. All of them fired the second time around.

    As I reloaded the rounds it wasn't caused by not seating the primers all the way or blocked primer hole or debris.
     
  11. RT.45

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    I witnessed a squib round fired from a S&W revolver this past weekend. It was a brand new Winchester .38 special round. I was standing behind a new shooter observing and heard the weak pop. The shooter didn't realize anything was amiss and began to cock the hammer back to take another shot when me and the range officer standing beside me stopped him. The bullet was lodged in the barrel about 1/8 of an inch in. Again, this was brand new Winchester ammo. It can happen with any brand. I've had bad luck with a batch of Remington ammo myself.

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  12. CTGunner

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    No response from aguila...I'll try again tomorrow.
     
  13. Schwing

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    Light primer strikes are either primers not seated all of the way or springs that are too light. Light primer strikes can often be the fault of your firearm. Squibs, on the other hand are 100% blamed on the ammo.
     
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    I tried again, this time their general email address. No response. If anyone has an aguilla contact please let me know.
     
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    It does happen. Be aware . Lack of noise , lack of recoil , and try and not fire another round after that squib. People who rip off the entire magazine as fast as they can squeeze the trigger are just asking for a problem.
    Keep a rod with you to drive out a stuck bullet, that way one will not put an end to your range trip.
    Gary
     
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    I agree that a squib is due to a low or non-existent charge of powder. On the subject of "light primer strikes" consider the following. It is not likely that pistol primers vary widely in the amount of striking force necessary to ignite them. On the other hand, rifle cartridge primers can intentionally be made heavy because most rifles do not have a firing pin spring. The firing pin flies forward and doinks the primer during chambering.

    Getting to the point on pistols, if you have light primer strikes on any round of good ammunition then you are getting light strikes on all rounds. Some of the rounds go off, but all your strikes are light. The most common cause is too much headspace. In other words, the primer is too far away from the firing pin. Once in a while the symptom is due to insufficient primer seating. Firing pin energy is expended in moving the primer further into its seat in the primer pocket. Inadequate primer seating is typical of almost all consumer presses that do priming.

    Assuming your primers are seated in the pocket (.002" - .006" below flush is typical), then you must look at the headspace in your gun. Revolver or pistol, there may be too much unsupported brass. The light primer strikes are an early warning sign which leads to blown cases later on. Unfortunately the fix for too much headspace in a pistol is a new barrel, and might even require a new cylinder in a revolver.

    Armchair gunsmiths often purchase light mainsprings in order to achieve a lighter trigger pull. However, a light mainspring also reduces the energy transferred to the firing pin and to the primer. All these things should be checked. Bad ammo is the least likely reason for no ignition.

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    I was shooting a 100 round box of Winchester 45 acp through my Hipoint carbine a couple years ago and had 1 shot that felt soft enough that I stopped and checked my barrel but it was OK. I was shooting with a guy last year when he found a nice shiny piece of primed brass in the box. No sign of a bullet or powder. That was also Winchester 100 round white box, but it was 9mm.
     
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    I'm only adding this because today I had my first bad 9mm round in five years, and it was Winchester White Box like several other posters. The case was split down one side, from the mouth to the base of the seated slug, and cracked perhaps 1/16" beyond that; the split made the diameter of the case too large to feed. The slug is not over-seated. From a deformation in the case, it looks like a piece of debris was caught between the slug and the case as the slug was inserted, bulging the case out and cracking it.

    It was just the one round, so I'll let it go, but if I had more than one problem in the box, I would email Winchester.
     
  19. CTGunner

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    Update - I made 2 attempts to contact Aguilla. They didn't respond to me either time. The shop where I bought the ammo was willing tof take it back out of good faith. I won't purchase Aguilla again unless I at least get a response.
     
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