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Stag Arms vs. Rock River Arms

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by umrebfan18, Aug 15, 2007.

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  1. umrebfan18

    umrebfan18 Member

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    Any opinion's as to which is the better buy? Reliability, durability, quality of parts( trigger,barrel,etc.)
     
  2. Matt King

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    Flip a coin. Both companies make good AR's.
     
  3. Taurus44

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    CMT makes the parts (uppers and lowers) for both Stag and RRA, so they really are the same thing with different roll marks.
     
  4. erict

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    Same stuff. Have had both but currently have Stag only. Stag is actually less expensive! If you don't mind the deer head, just grab the Stag.

    I've had 2 different gun shops tell me that the President (or owner, I can't remember which) of Stag is actually related to the Pres./owner of RRA. I have no idea if that is correct or not.
     
  5. glockman19

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    Agreed. Stag might be a little less expensive. Contact my friend Chris @ www.lanworldinc.com he sells both and has great prices.
     
  6. Ford

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    yeah Mark Malkowski the founder and President of Stag Arms used to work for and is the son of Teddy Malkowski, founder of CMT. CMT makes alot of parts for alot of top name AR manufacturers.

    I would say get the Stag just becasue thats what I did. :p
     
  7. JonB

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    Agree with everyone else. Although when I bought mine (RRA) I couldn't find a Stag in a midlength set up. So I went RRA. Love the middies.. :)
     
  8. Dusey

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    AR15.com is a great site for all of your AR15 info. I'm a member over there too. The Highroad, and AR15.com are the two best firearms forums on the web, bar none.;)
     
  9. SpeedAKL

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    Stag is less expensive, RRA has more setups available.
     
  10. RockyMtnTactical

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    Stag is better quality and less expensive. RRA has more options (not necessarily upgrades).

    I vote Stag. Despite the fact that RRA gets some of their parts from CMT (the parent company of Stag), there is a difference in quality.
     
  11. hags

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    Uh, yes, RRA gets there uppers and lowers from CMT. However, they are not machined, the CNC machining is jobbed out to local machine shops around RRA. CMT supplies alot of companies with both machined and 80% uppers and lowers, according to their specs, some name brands and some not.
    Both are quality ARs, I've sold and used parts and complete guns from both companies.
    I think the finish on the RRA lowers is outstanding, certainly among the best out there.
     
  12. JonB

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    How is Stag better quality? What defines 'quality'? :scrutiny: Not starting anything here, but quality is subjective and without qualifying what aspects of the guns you are talking about, a statement like that is pretty generic.

    Fit and finish on my RRA is better than the Bushies that are in the shops around here. Better than the Olympics too :neener:

    Stag, RRA, Bushmaster, DPMS, etc - put all the names in a bag and pick one. All will work for 99% of the shooters here. Pick one that has the options you like for the money you want to spend.
     
  13. hags

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    Hey, stop making sense!
    It doesn't make for good conversation.
     
  14. RockyMtnTactical

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    For one, Stag uses milspec buffer tubes, F marked front sites, MPI's their bolts, doesn't dremel their feedramps, chrome lines their M4 barrels standard, etc...

    Those are all things Stag has on RRA. Oh, and they cost less...

    Stag is a better rifle.
     
  15. JonB

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    Huh. Well my RRA has an F on the front sight, the feedramps look just like pictures I've seen here on THR labeled 'Good', chrome lined barrels - yup you can get those on RRA as well.

    Milspec buffer tube? Guess I wouldn't consider that a quality issue. My buffer tube seems to do the job it was intended to do, hasn't fallen apart or anything like that so it must be good quality, albeit different than milspec. Now if the RRA buffer tube was a piece of crap (like made out of an old Coors Lite can), that would be a quality problem. As it is, it is a feature difference, nothing to do with quality.

    Cost less? Maybe, maybe not. Do they come standard with a nice two-stage trigger? Hogue rubber grip standard? Midlength gas system as an option? My RRA did. Does that mean my RRA is better? Not at all, just different features for the money I paid.

    There is a difference between 'quality' and 'features'. This is an argument that pops every week at THR. Some folks haven't figured out that having different features doesn't mean the quality is any better or worse.

    Personally, I don't go for the mall ninja, wanna-be military crap. I just like having a reliable AR, so it really doesn't matter if something like a buffer tube isn't milspec. I'm not going to hang out in a jungle, or bury my rifle in the sandbox, or take it swimming with me so some of the specs the military needs to ensure longevity are really not applicable IN MY CASE. I would bet that is the situation with *most* members here as well.

    Again, I don't think the OP would go wrong with Stag, RRA, Bushie, DPMS, CMT, Colt, Sabre, etc. Just pick what features are important to you and what price range you are comfortable with. Most people here will agree. Some will continue to tout a certain brand because a) that's what they have or b) that's what they sell

    There are a handful of folks here who really put thousands and thousands of rounds through their AR every year and having all the milspec details is probably pretty important for longevity of the rifle.

    There is a nice post here in the forum sticky that is worth reading.
     
  16. RockyMtnTactical

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    Don't get all upset. I don't think RRA makes a crappy weapon. It's just not as good as the Stag. Why pay more for less?

    You can do worse than RRA though.

    One thing RRA does really well is make the fit and finish "look" good. That is one of the main reasons they do so well. It doesn't make them any more reliable though...
     
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    Who makes LMT ARs?
     
  18. RockyMtnTactical

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    LMT does, and they do a damn fine job. They are very good.
     
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    I gotta take issue with this too. Six of one, half dozen of the other between the Stag and the RRA.
    Both make a good quality AR.
    Fit and finish on RRAs stuff is outstanding.
    Mil-spec, not really, but who cares, if it works it works.
    RRA uppers with M4 feed ramps are the same as the Stag M4 feed ramp upper receivers I've handled.
     
  20. Kestrel

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    Is LMT a cut above CMT/Stag?

    Does CMT make the S&W M&P rifles?
     
  21. RockyMtnTactical

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    RRA doesn't make M4 feedramps uppers. They do however dremel into their anodized receivers and monkey with the feedramps for some strange reason...

    There's just no reason to do that. If they want M4 feedramps, why not order them that way? Instead they butcher them.

    Finish really means nothing. Sure, it looks nice, but it doesn't contribute to the reliability of the weapon.

    There may not be some HUGE difference between the two, but why pay more for something that is inferior (however slight)?

    I'll take the less expensive weapon with better standard upgrades (MPI'ed bolts, milspec buffer, chrome lining, etc...). That's just me.
     
  22. RockyMtnTactical

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    Yes, LMT is a small step above CMT/Stag.

    CMT makes parts for many different companies (but NOT ALL OF THE PARTS). They make some parts for S&W, not all. In fact, I believe LMT is now supplying the BCG's for the S&W AR15's now...
     
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    There's a link to a thread called "34 Ways to Cut Corners on Manufacturing an AR15" in the sticky post "THR Rifle Forum Reading Library _ Useful Links" at the top of this forum's thread list. There's also a very nice chart put together showing what features and QC most of the manufacturers do and don't do on their products. The chart can be found at M4Carbine.net, and possibly here too but I haven't seen it. Though a lot of people seem to take offence at the chart (probably because it shows their rifle manuf. doesn't have a lot of boxes checked), you should just take the info for what it is. You decide what features you can / can not live without on your budget and go with that manufacturer. Some people demand a product with as many of the boxes checked as possible (for good reason). Some could probably do fine with an AR without a lot of boxes checked.
     
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    That's a load of crap! I don't know where you get your info, but the last dozen or so M4 ramp upper receivers I received from RRA have nice, as nice as any other, M4 ramps machined into them before anodizing.
    They were definitely not "butchered"!
    You're doing a disservice to people reading this thread by spreading misinformation.

    Whooooosh, I should tell that to the people who come into my shop looking to spend their hard earned money. I wonder where that would get me.
    First off, the finish is important and can contribute to the functionality of the weapon.
    Second, who want's to drop $1K or so on a second rate finish?
    I think the finish speaks volumes about the manufacturer.
     
  25. RockyMtnTactical

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    That would be a first. I'm a dealer with RRA too, and I don't use them all that much these days. If they stopped dremeling their feedramps, it was just barely that they stopped.

    For a dealer, you must be brand new dealing with their stuff because they've been doing this for a long while.

    As for what you tell your customers, I recommend you worry about telling them the truth and trying to sell them the best quality, not just push the "best looking".

    That said, I don't see any problems with Stag's finish compared to RRA, so that would be a moot point in this discussion anyways... if that's all that matters to you...

    Seems to me that you are just mad because you push a lot of RRA and you're being told they are not the best.
     
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