Standard Distance for Pistol Accuracy Test

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I’ve seen sand bag handgun accuracy tests performed from 10 yards to 25 yards in gun magazines. I always thought 25 yards was the gold metal standard for hand guns (and 100 yards for rifles.)
Case in point, a recent 9 mm test of a 4.87” barrel with 3” avg. groups at 25 yards and a 4.6” barrel with 1” avg. groups at 15 yards. Only a 1/4” difference in barrel length but look at the groups!
This can be very misleading to potential buyers as well as possible increased sales to one manufacturer over another!
Is there another standard I’m not aware of?
 
I'm not aware of 1 over-all standard distance for handguns, it all depends on what the intended use of a particular firearms is. For some, it could be 5-7-10yds(defensive use), or as much as 200yds.(HP silhouette). For competitive bullseye the standard is 25 and 50yds. IME, trying to differentiate accuracy of various firearms by shooting groups at distances of 5-10yds is pretty meaningless. The differences in accuracy between most handguns at those short distances won't tell you much.
 
I agree with springer99, it depends on the application. We also may have different definitions of accuracy testing as mine is the capability of the handgun and ammunition. Until you find out what the equipment is capable of, you will never know if it is the shooter or the equipment. I also agree that most testing done inside of 25 yards does not tell you much.
 
I see most pistol accuracy test done at 15-25 yards but there isn’t a standard.
Sight radius is the limiting factor so short of mounting an optic even 25 is quationable IMO to know if a stray shot is the guns fault or you eyes’ (spoiler, it’s pretty much always the shooter)
 
Well, each "test" is a sample size of one, so it's hard to tell what you would get out of it anyway. In addition, some are shot off-hand, some are rested on sandbags, and some are in a Ransom rest. Add in ammo variances and any number of other variables, and any accuracy test is only really an interesting tidbit.

I'll agree, 25 yards would be a good standard to use for handguns, but sometimes I suspect they are limited by the weather, time constraints, and range availability.
 
The standard test distance in many publications for most handguns is 25 yards. Short barrel handguns, typical of concealable guns, can be tested at shorter distances. Bullseye-type shooters prefer testing bullseye handguns at 50 yards.
 
Every hand gun test I've ever read about was 25yds. I have no idea if there is a standard.

However, my friends and I consider hitting 8x11" plates at 50yds consistently a pretty good measure for plinking. Hitting the same size plates a 100yds consistently is really a sign of skill for us.

All of my SD practice is done under 25yds.
 
For law enforcement, qualification is from 25 yds to 2 yds. For this reason you see so many test at 25 yds.
Now for self defense, a shooting at 25 yds would be hard to justify. One should strive to be proficient at 10 and 15 yds. Once that is achieved increase the distance.
 
I almost never shoot off a rest. I will do it if I want to confirm or adjust sights, but otherwise I shoot standing and offhand. When I get a new gun I will always test it at 30 feet. I know what kind of accuracy I can achieve at this distance even with snub nosed revolvers and small semi autos like the LCP. At 30 feet I can keep most shots inside a 3 inch circle. When shots fall outside that 3 inch circle I usually know they are going to as soon as I pull the trigger. If all seems good at 30 feet I will shoot my 8 X 10 steel plate at 40 yards
My goal is to determine what I can do with a gun in the manner I usually shoot.
 
If you are talking about an accuracy test using a rest I would say longer is better. 5 yards with a rest won't tell you much.

If you are talking about being proficient then 7-15 yards for most concealed weapons. When you get good at those distances move the target out. Most publications I see test handguns between 10 and 25 yards. For pistols with barrels shorter than 5" I seldom shoot past 25 yards.

Being proficient and having an accurate weapon or load are quite different. My weapons are more accurate that I can perform :)

-Jeff
 
If they don't bench test at 25yds, whatever information they have is useless to me.

EDIT: I should have said "at least 25yds". Anything under is useless information. For hunting guns and those that wear an optic, 50 is better.
 
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If the gun test writers would all use the same criteria, it would make it easier for dummies like me to compare apples to apples vs. apples to oranges.
Say
All handguns 25 yards
Iron sight rifles 50 yards
Scoped rifles 100 yards
I just hate to see two almost identical 9mm handgun articles in same magazine with one heads above the other in accuracy only to read the fine print and find it was at about 1/2 the distance. It just rubs me wrong!
Jmho
 
Intended use has nothing what ever to do with accuracy. The gold standard has always been 50 yard for hand guns. An accurate hand gun should be able to shoot 2" groups at 50 yards all day long. Your intended use may not require that kind of precision, but accuracy is accuracy period.
 
Of course there is a standard. Confusion here is that most folks don't know a "standard" for what and for whom.

It's a standard that was set by the firearms industry, the earliest Revolver clubs from the late 1800's, the NRA etc. It is still used regularly in the American Rifleman and Handloader magazine as a test of the accuracy of handguns with select loads and bullets. That's 25 yards from a rest or a Ransom Rest. This was a "standard" set by them (the NRA) and used by them over a century ago. This was because it was and is a standard distance for bullseye shooting and one that most shooters could hit at and that most folks could have at hand, as distinct from longer distances.

So the industry standard for testing accuracy is 25 yards (or meters in Europe) when you get a pistol with a test target in it from the factory it's usually for this distance. Makers who guarantee a 50 yard accuracy include a target showing the 50 yard group. But this latter is rare.

I’ve seen sand bag handgun accuracy tests performed from 10 yards to 25 yards in gun magazines. I always thought 25 yards was the gold metal standard for hand guns (and 100 yards for rifles.)
Case in point, a recent 9 mm test of a 4.87” barrel with 3” avg. groups at 25 yards and a 4.6” barrel with 1” avg. groups at 15 yards. Only a 1/4” difference in barrel length but look at the groups!
This can be very misleading to potential buyers as well as possible increased sales to one manufacturer over another!
Is there another standard I’m not aware of?

Your going to have to point me to a magazine or online test that shot the gun from a rest at 10 yards. You will also have to point me to an article that used 15 yards from a rest. These things are rarer than hen's teeth. Often only used for snubby J frames. If it was the case that they did only shoot from 10 or 15 yards they likely stated a reason for why they did that, or else they were quietly telling you the gun was no good.

So there is a standard. It's been set by the industry. It's used in gun magazines and reputable websites as a way of illustrating the accuracy of handguns, with certain loads from a known distance from a rest, Ransom or otherwise, that minimizes the influence of the shooter.

Others will say that it's not "their standard". OK. But there's a world out there bigger than 1 person and in that world it's 25 yards from a rest. No it's not 50 yards.

tipoc
 
Your going to have to point me to a magazine or online test that shot the gun from a rest at 10 yards. You will also have to point me to an article that used 15 yards from a rest. These things are rarer than hen's teeth. Often only used for snubby J frames. If it was the case that they did only shoot from 10 or 15 yards they likely stated a reason for why they did that, or else they were quietly telling you the gun was no good.

25 yards seems to be the unofficial 'standard' distance. But I've seen reviews with testing done at ranges as close as 7 yards!
 
Your going to have to point me to a magazine or online test that shot the gun from a rest at 10 yards. You will also have to point me to an article that used 15 yards from a rest. These things are rarer than hen's teeth.
I see them all the time.
 
Tipoc,
Since you specifically asked, I refer you to the February 2018 issue of The American Rifleman. On page 65 is a test of the Kahr CE 9mm at 15 yards and on page 76 is a test of the RUGER Security 9mm at 25 yards.
The RUGER article written by B. Gil Horman, field editor, but the Kahr article is not authored but rather inferring to NRA staffhouse.
Looks like NRA has forgotten their own 100 year old standard maybe?
 
I start my revolver loads at 20 yds. When I find a load that is showing potential at that distance I’ll take it 50yds. If that proves to be good I’ll extend it to 100yds. Sometimes this works very well and all goes as planned, other times it doesn’t and I make my adjustments to the load. If that proves not to work I start over with changing components ( brass, primer, powder ) until I find what will work. FWIW.
 
I’ll add, I’ve been a member of the NRA since 1964 and am now a benefactor member. I have nothing but respect and praise for their fine organization.
 
25 yards or meters, from a fixed rest, is the normal standard. Having said that, both the Bullseye and Free Pistol shooters will test at 50 yards or meters. My Morini CM-84 shipped with a test target. 20 shots at 50m. (FWIW, you can cover the group with a quarter).
 
In their 1986 book "The Gun Digest Book of 9mm Handguns: An In-Depth Study of the 9mm Luger / Parabellum Cartridge & the Guns That Fire it", Dean Grennell and Wiley Clapp did all of the accuracy testing from 25 yards from a bench rest.
 
I was under the impression (correct me if I am wrong) on that many (most, all) handguns with fixed sights, the sights are set so that when they are properly aligned the gun will shoot to POA at 25 yards. I understand that that is ammo dependent.
Pete
 
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