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standard garand or standard 91/30 mosin, whos more accurate?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by FlyinBryan, Mar 3, 2009.

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whats more accurate?

  1. mosin nagant 91/30

    11.3%
  2. M1 garand

    88.7%
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  1. FlyinBryan

    FlyinBryan Member

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    pretty simple poll.

    between the two vintage infantry rifles, which is the more accurate?

    assuming of course both are in perfect working order with nice sharp rifles and good fitting wood.

    the popular mosin nagant 91/30?

    or the "greatest battle implement ever devised", according to old blood and guts, general Patton.

    the M1 garand?
     
  2. Nugilum

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    I'd say Garand, since you don't have to take the rifle off your shoulder to cycle the action like the 91/30.

    For service-issue accuracy, That's a tough call. The rifles are far more capable than the operators who used them. :eek:
     
  3. helz_mcfugly

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    well when we get our garands we will see wont we.
     
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    but then again you wouldnt think a Glock 21 would be more accurate then a Kimber 1911. go figure.
     
  5. helz_mcfugly

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    Top is the rifling on a Garand, bottom is a Mosin/Nagant. they are both pretty beafy but the Garand is a little smoother. reminds me of a meat grinder. I would love to see a bullet on high speed vid when it come out of the barrel of one of these. I bet you can see the deep groves carved into the bullet from the rifling. that Mosin is a bullet butcher :eek:

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  6. FlyinBryan

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    looks like dr evils time machine
     
  7. lionking

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    Garands without anything wrong to effect accuracy are 1 or 1-1/2 MOA capable rifles,Standard 91/30 Mosin maybe 2 MOA,from what I have experienced and also seen other people do.With no scope.More than likely on both usually will be 2 MOA and more.I have SA that does 2 MOA and a HRA that does 3 or 4 MOA almost always both with same condition barrel.

    Now Finnish Mosin's on the other hand can rival or surpass a Garand.
     
  8. helz_mcfugly

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    whats a Finnish Mosin lionking?
     
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    You can buy 8 91/30's with minty bores for one fair Garand. So bang for the buck is on the Mosin.

    The garand is an autoloader so it's got the advantage for multi shot accuracy. But 1 shot at a time I'd say they are about even.
     
  11. lionking

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    helz,this is a Finnish M39 Mosin,got this one in DEC,this was my test targets for it.

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  12. lionking

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    The question isn't about price or bang for your buck,but inherent accuracy for both.I saw a guy with a bubba Mosin 91 scoped that got 1 MOA,but stock with iron sights more often a Garand will shoot smaller than a run of the mill Mosin.

    This is one of the best groups I have got with my SA M1.But it usually does almost as good when I shoot it right.With my 2 91/30's I don't think I have ever got less that 3MOA with any type of ammo.

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  13. FlyinBryan

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    lion king, did you get that from cmp? and if so what grade is it?
     
  14. lionking

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    Bryan,this SA I bought at a gunshow in May 07 from a guy that is a milsurp dealer.He had the SA and a HRA,I bought them both.Both have all parts as correct.They have replacement stocks.Both have muzzle wear gauging at 2.

    That SA is really a beautiful looking rifle.I normally am skeptic of M1's at shows but that guy was square with me,didn't try to pawn them off as something they were not and sold them for a decent price accordingly.I haven't done anything to the SA to get better accuracy it is as is as I bought it,it just shoots good.

    I have only bought ammo from the CMP,but I finally sent in a notorized paper to them 3 weeks ago so now if I choose I can get one from them.But honestly the only Garand's I was interested from the CMP were collector grades and by the time I was able to afford one those were long gone.But I scored a collector grade HRA off gunbroker a few months ago with paperwork for the same price they were selling for at the CMP.


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  15. doubs43

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    My vote goes to the Garand for several reasons.

    On average the Garand trigger will be smoother and easier to let off. Balance of the Garand is better IMO.

    The biggest single advantage of the Garand IMO is the far and away superior sights that allow precise adjustments. There is simply no comparison between the aperture sights of the Garand and the crude open sights of the M-N.
     
  16. General Geoff

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    In as-issued form, there is no contest. The Garand has far better sights and is arguably manufactured to tighter tolerances.

    If we're talking pure mechanical accuracy from two hand-picked ringer rifles, then the Mosin wins (see also: Finnish M39).
     
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    Remember, accuracy is hitting your point of aim, precision is hitting it over and over in a ity bity group.

    My vote was

    precision, mosin.

    accuracy goes to the garand, it has adjustable sights.
     
  18. krs

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    Really? You mean like this?:
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    Garand gets my vote.
     
  19. PT1911

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    definitely a garand for accuracy, but for 129 bucks, I would gladly go with the mosin...
     
  20. husker

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    i go with garand just for the fact that its made in the USA. Gen. Patton would of liked to have put this pole to the real test in 1945
     
  21. Duke of Doubt

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    The M91 surpasses the M91/30, and not just because of the additional barrel length and sight radius. The sights on the M91 were better than the M91/30, for some applications, and the machining was better. My Garand outshoots all my Mosins except my 1894 Chatellerault M91.
     
  22. Funderb

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    you can't pole vault with a grarand.
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    krs, what range is that?
     
  23. Duke of Doubt

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    Policing up the empty beer cans is easier with the M91 and bayonet, too. As is changing the channel without getting up off the couch.
     
  24. doubs43

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    I few years back I picked up a Chatellerault at a pawn shop for $75 as I recall. The date on the action, hidden by the stock, was either 1893 or 1894 I believe. There is a stamp on the top of the receiver indicating that the rifle was captured by the Austrians at some point. It was later acquired by the Finns and has a Tikka barrel marked with the "SA" in a box.

    I haven't shot it.
     
  25. Duke of Doubt

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    doubs43, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess yours is missing its upper handguard, too. NICE deal, if yours is in original military configuration. The date 1894 is right on top of the barrel base with the "C" and other markings.
     
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