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Start writing again. Reid says that gun control will be brought to the senate floor

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by ol' scratch, Feb 4, 2013.

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  1. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

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    1. The problem with the current system is that it is chock full of irrational laws and laws that are pointless or even unjust. Improving the system without correcting these problems just means more effectively trapping people in stupid laws.

    2. Do any of AlexanderA's ideas offer an actual improvement, I went into specifics on how I felt that was a problem.

    How does the continued defeat of gun control create a perception of inevitability? I am not sure I agree with you here; but even if I did, I don't see how the ideas you are putting forth stop that.

    i like it better than NICS; but not by much. You have all the problems of NICS still (system downtime and delays) and how long would it be before a push was made to start providing that certificate for non-gun purchases? Home mortgage? Lease application? And of course, at its core, you are still asking the government permission to exercise a key right expressly described in the Bill of Rights.

    Obviously, you could probably identify 99% of gun owners just based on marketing data available through social media and credit card data. However, you can't identify what they own - which creates a fair amount of problems for a tyrannical government.
     
  2. harrygunner

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    Some are making the same mistake 'gun control' people make.

    A tyrannical government won't obey the rules. Similar to 'gun control' with lawful v.s. criminals, a just government won't ask us to register our data and a tyrannical government can't be trusted with it. I'm sure Native Americans were given "ironclad guarantees".

    "Universal background checks" would need a lot more data sent to and stored by the government. http://www.informationweek.com/government/policy/federal-gun-control-requires-it-overhaul/240147373

    We need to make it clear any form of registration is unacceptable.
     
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    I agree. It is time for the .gov to lay-off with the "legislation of the month" noise and start enforcing the ones already on the books.

    Not holding my breath...
     
  4. KTXdm9

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    They can't even get all of the Dems to support the bill. I think I'll pass on conceding my rights, "just in case."
     
  5. larryh1108

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    You can present to me a signed copy of the law stating this with every member of both houses signing it and I will never believe that some agency won't save this list. They can make is super secret and claim it's to be kept for anti-terrorism and with computers set up the way they are, it will be available with the touch of a button. If this law passes, there will be a list somewhere no matter what we are told. Ask J Edgar how to accomplish this.
     
  6. InkEd

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    I SAID THIS LAST WEEK! EVERYONE IS GETTING TO RELAXED!

    We have a lousy Democratic controlled Senate. The leader of the Senate is a spineless excuse of a man that has allowed Feinstein to re-write her bill without consent or input from anyone with an opposing viewpoint. They are going to push it through the Senate under the guidance of a Muslim dictator that is occupying the White House. They all support a World Govenment and disarming of the population.

    Feinstein is a worthless old nag that needs to be sent out the glue factory before she ruins the country anymore than she already has done. Obama is an utterly sickening individual that did NOT grow up in America, does NOT love America and only WANTS to destroy America.

    They all need to removed from office for treason and acts of terrorism.
     
  7. zxcvbob

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    ^^^It's the dream from his father.

    BTW, I thought FOPA had something in it outlawing a national gun registration.
     
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