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Started my new 590A1 tacticool build today. What else should I add?

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by ObsceneJesster, Jan 23, 2013.

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  1. XTrooper

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    If the sling you were using was snagging on things, you were using the wrong one or the right one wrongly.
     
  2. ObsceneJesster

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    I wasn't going to reply to the original comment but I was having trouble understanding it. I guess I don't understand it as I have been using a sling on my AR's for years now and I've never had them snag on anything. I guess it's possible if you go running through the woods with the sling hanging down to the ground but other than that, I don't see it. We train with slings all of the time and I've never seen someone get it hung up on something. Some people just hear one person say it and then take it to the bank.
     
  3. clang

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    I recommend NO sling - why would you need one on a self defense gun in your house? No long marches, so no need to sling it over your shoulder.

    It's a shotgun, so no need to steady your aim, since you point the thing. Besides, it's a pump gun, how are you going to use a sling to steady your aim in the first place and ever hope to be able to pump the action for a second shot?

    Homes have things like doorknobs and banisters that can catch a sling. This can ruin your encounter with your unwelcome guest.
     
  4. mike_charlie

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    Then perhaps the flashlight and side saddle aren't things that should be taken away. My point was just that the question of "what else can I add" is misleading, as adding things arbitrarily will not make a defensive shotgun better. Removing unnecessary things, however, will make it lighter, faster, and less clumsy.

    Of course something that one deems necessary shouldn't be removed. But if you're going to bet your life on the function of a shotgun, "what other stuff can I stick on it" is not an appropriate question.
     
  5. ApacheCoTodd

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    I didn't really read the OP as wanting more for the sake of more or cool but rather as an issue of "Am I missing anything anyone thinks is useful?"

    Totally not worthy of arguing over personal preferences but rather forwarding options.

    Here're some of my perspectives on my own choices:

    Bayonet lug - it's fun to joke about mounting a bayonet but I really like the lug asmy favorite option for a front sling swivel.

    Sling - I carry this often in the mountains for various reasons and there isn't a more QD sling out there should I think this one's in the way. Additionally, this 'berg has been to hand in polite company which didn't stat out so polite twice so far and being able to toss it upside down over my shoulder left it present in case but not nearly as threatening as being "brandished".

    The flashlight allows one to be more assured of illumination being to the front rather than behind when needed. There's so often enough ambient illumination about that I seldom turn it on but to check it periodically.

    When I had a side-saddle on a shotgun it was more for alternative loads than for re-loads. One of the more common in there being "loc-busters".

    Hogue butt stock - I was not filled with a lot of confidence in the integrity of the original and after two other options, I popped for this one for the solidness and the oversized and grippy pistol grip as well as the squishy non-slip butt pad.

    Anyhoo. There are some personal points of view presented in a "what and why I like..." way which should in no way lead to arguing about right and wrong but rather perspectives and experience.
     
  6. ObsceneJesster

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    @ApecheCoTodd......I agree with most everything you say and you are correct in saying that I was just asking others what else may come in handy or what they like on their shotgun. If you like your shotgun with nothing added then that's perfectly okay. There is no right way to set up a tactical shotgun. I've seen a thousand different setups and I'm sure they all feel good to the person using them. It's all good though. I wouldn't expect the everyday gun enthusiast knows how to use a weapon mounted flashlight during a tactical situation.


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  7. ApacheCoTodd

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    It's interesting to observe the levels upon which some folk choose to communicate on the internet. Almost as if in any case of more than one point of view - some one HAS to be wrong.

    In the case of these styles of firearms, I'm in fact in conflict with myself from time to time. Although I'm very happy with my Mossy, occasionally I grab this righteous-riot instead. Nary a bell or whistle to be found!

    As to the "reporting" - I've got three of those things and in each case they seemed rather silly and insulting to the rest of the body present in that they were deemed in need of protection from my post or wording. Se la vie... It's not my sand box so I' gots to follow the rules... or their interpretation.
     

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  8. foghornl

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    Needs 'work polishing' or perhaps 'character marks'.


    (Read as: Take that Thang out & shoot it .....A LOT!)
     
  9. ObsceneJesster

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    It will get its fair share of work. I've only had it for 3 weeks now and took it out for the first time yesterday. This is also going to be my main nighttime hog hunter.
     
  10. oneounceload

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    This was my point about not having a sling- KISS keeps Mr. Murphy at bay the longest...;)
     
  11. natman

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    There's nothing more that needs to be added.

    The light is a good idea. The concept of "giving away your position" doesn't apply to home defense, you HAVE to identify your target. It's not combat or a video game where you can blast away at a shape in the dark. Besides, if you do find yourself in a position where it would be a disadvantage to turn on the light, just don't turn it on.

    The only thing I'd consider taking off would be the side saddle. Sure, extra ammo is nice to have, but shotgun shells are heavy and you already have 9 plus 4 in the stock.

    BTW, forget the tactical stock. Putting a pistol grip stock on a Mossberg interferes with operation of the safety and slide release. Being able to go from SAFE to FIRE easily is far more important than whatever advantage the tactical stock may bring.

    I can see a front rifle sight, what are you using for a rear?
     
  12. ObsceneJesster

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    Regarding the light, you are exactly right. I like to see what I'm aiming at. If I'm in a situation where I don't want my position given away, exactly like you said. Don't turn it on.

    I need the saddle for slugs. The stock is coming off so I won't have the storage there. When this is sitting under my bed, the saddle is not filled and by itself, it weighs a couple ounces. I can't really feel a difference in weight with or without it.

    The safety issue is addressed. Calvary Arms makes a oversized safety which has a bump out on both sides. It makes it much easier to manipulate when using a pistol grip with a tang style safety. If you don't have super small hands, it can be activated while still holding onto the pistol grip. Don't get me wrong, it would be much easier with a push safety but with a little practice, the CA Safety is pretty easy to use. One of the main reasons why I want a Pistol Grip on my stock is because that's what I've always trained with. It just feels more comfortable to me. I went with the Mesa because that's what our unit uses and I know its a quality stock. I also know how much recoil the hydraulic buffer sucks up.

    There is a Ghost Ring in the rear. Again, that's what I train with and I am most efficient with this type sight.
     
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    I've been interested in the Mesa LEO recoil reducing stock for my 870 for a while now, but I've not been able to find a decent video showing how much it reduces recoil.

    If you get a chance, how about a youtube vid of your next outing with it?
     
  14. LeonCarr

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    It looks fine just like it is.

    Don't try to turn it into an AR, it is a shotgun. They are different things :).

    Buy ammo and training and shoot it until it becomes a part of you.

    Just my .02,
    LeonCarr
     
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    Paint them pink so they won't scare the anti's.
     
  16. ObsceneJesster

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    @Leon...Im required by my job to train with multiple weapons systems multiple times a month. I also heavily train on my own time when not getting paid to do it. The reason I'm adding a pistol grip "AR Type" stock is because that's what our unit trains with and that's what I've been using for nearly 10 years now. I feel much much more comfortable with one. My target acquisition is noticeably quicker when using a Shotgun with a pistol grip stock. I just have more control with one.
     
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    One thing that has not been mentioned, or I may have missed it, how about a high visibilty front sight post (fiber optic, etc.). Also I would prefer a slide mounted light like the Surefire 618 on my 870
     
  18. ObsceneJesster

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    A front Fiber is a good idea. I'll look into it. The light mount is just something I am used to. I don't know if you read my previous post or not but I like my light as close to the barrel as possible. If you have the right lens on your light then it can act as a accurate shot guide up to 15-20 feet. Basically, my beam measures 5-7 inches circumference on a target between 10-15 feet. I know that my shot pattern will cover the area in which the beam is illuminating since the flashlight is on the same plane as the barrel. Also, I know everyone has a different opinion on tactical operations/situations but I was always taught to never keep your light on after your first shot. If you must illuminate your target then you want to do so with a quick burst and should never keep your light on when engaged in a fire fight. There is really no need for me to keep the light on when racking and if for some reason I need the light back on, my thumb is always within 1 inch of the tail cap button each and every time I chamber another shell. If your wondering why I was always told to never keep the light on after your initial shot is because if you miss and the target has time to shoot back, they will aim at the light. If they aim at the light then there's a good chance you're getting hit. The lights mounted on our units 870's won't even stay on unless you rotate the tail cap. The tail cap button will only provide momentary on which means as soon as you move your thumb, it's turning off. They really do not want us keeping the light on after our initial shot.

    Like I said, everyone has a different opinion and everyone is comfortable with different techniques.
     
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