Starting and Seating Bullets Straight, Effects of Crooked Bullet

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I appreciate everybody's help on this!:thumbup: I'm not blowing off good advice and also not trying to beat a dead horse but I have one last question just so I will be educated on the matter.

What typically happens to accuracy when a pistol barrel gets lead fouled or copper fouled? (been shooting Golden Sabres too so is brass fouling a thing?) Any pattern or just groups that open up?

I shot a case of Aguila 32 S&W Long through my S&W M31. Those soft lead bullets, probably swaged, leaded the barrel to the point the rifling was not visible! Accuracy went to hell, and the point of impact really changed, but in what direction I don't remember. Heavy fouling is bad, all things considered.
 
I'm only two weeks in to reloading and seemed to have found my first mistake. I flared my 45 ACP cases very little in an effort to make the brass last longer but this made starting the bullet straight a bit trickier. I'm sure that when starting some of them, they were not perfectly straight. Then after several more rounds were assembled, I noticed a faint case bulge only on one side. I did not like the looks of that at all, signaling that the bullet must not be straight in relation to the brass.

From that point on I started the bullets much more carefully and pressed them in slightly and then rotated the cartridge 180 dgs in the shell holder before finishing the press and crimp all the way.

I did not do a good job of separating what I knew was straight or crooked and it is not easy to quickly see the difference now. (Note to self to be more organized.)

The loads are Berry's 230 plated RN, 5.3 grains Bullseye, 1.262 OAL.

When shooting my newbie reloads, everything was great and accuracy was not bad. Easily staying in a six inch circle at 7 yards off hand, nothing special, similar to how I shoot factory ammo out of my Glock 21. The problem started after aprox 150 rounds. Many shots were hitting 4 to 5 inches low.

I unloaded the gun and inspected the barrel as best I could in the dimly lit indoor range, nothing obvious. I don't think I seated every single bullet perfectly in a run and then seated 50 in a row crooked.

Could the crooked bullets have fouled just one area of the barrel and caused the shots to be low from that point on?

The water wasn't muddy enough so I shot a full magazine of factory Federal HST and a full magazine of factory Remington Golden Saber and they were all centered with better accuracy than I normally shoot the ball ammo.:confused: More mud was needed so I shot a magazine of Factory Winchester ball. Low again.:confused::confused:


Anybody have wisdom for a newbie?
I am not a bit fond of Winchester ammo. I think it's cheap crap.
 
9C0F326B-0E20-438B-9EC5-FBB437CB8996.jpeg E33EB1C6-5127-4919-906B-FEF5E712ADB5.jpeg I recovered some bullets from my trap yesterday and this might be some evidence that I wasn’t just pulling shots low out of nowhere. Maybe

Unfortunately these are the best pics I could get in a hurry but there is an obvious difference. These were just laying in the bottom of the trap after hundreds of rounds so I have no idea how each bullet actually shot.

These are Berry’s plated 230gr.
 
get some 230 grain xtp bullets and load them up. it won't be the bullet with that load!

follow-through is the first thing to go when a shooter gets tired. rest a bit when you start fighting the recoil (a sure sign your mind is not on your shot process).

you are testing accuracy here, so take your time. a minute between shots is not a bad place to start.

luck,

murf
 
I do not know the effect of crooked bullets on accuracy. I wanted to spend a little money on reloading and I already "had everything I needed" so I bought a competition seating die in .357 to replace the Lee seating die. I love it. Went ahead and got one in 6mm and .41 mag also because I liked the first one so well. And I know my bullets are as straight as they can be easily made. My groups have shrunk somewhat but that most likely is not because of the dies. I will not ever load a bullet with the standard die in these calibers again to "check it ou"t. It does seem to bear to reason that the plated and high tek coated bullets that I like to shoot would be better off starting straight. Even if it does not make a difference why not still do it right.
 
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