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Statistical help -- DGUs with which caliber?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by pax, Aug 16, 2004.

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  1. pax

    pax Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Washington state
    Okay, everyone, I need some help.

    Somewhere there has got to be at least a rudimentary statistical breakdown of Defensive Gun Uses (DGUs) by caliber of gun.

    I can't find it, and I could sure use it.

    Can anyone help?

  2. Can'thavenuthingood

    Can'thavenuthingood Member

    Jun 1, 2004
    Have you tried http://ncjrs.org/ yet?

    I went to the library abstracts and a bunch of defensive gun uses came up. Haven't researched for caliber though.

    Still looking around.
  3. NukemJim

    NukemJim Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    I am not so sure there is a such a breakdown by calibre.

    The only studies I can recall reading that might, possibly help would be either Evan Marshal's "stopping power" series or possibly Massod Ayoob was at one time also keeping statistics on bullet effectiveness.

    Good Luck

  4. Can'thavenuthingood

    Can'thavenuthingood Member

    Jun 1, 2004
    Guns and Crime: Handgun Victimization, Firearm Self-Defense, and
    Firearm Theft


    About three-fourths of the victims who used firearms for
    self-defense did so during a crime of violence, 1987-92

    Average annual number of victimizations
    in which victims used firearms to defend
    themselves or their property
    Attacked Threatened
    Total offender offender
    All crimes 82,500 30,600 51,900
    Total violent crime 62,200 25,500 36,700

    With injury 12,100 7,300 4,900
    Without injury 50,000 18,200 31,800

    Theft, burglary,
    motor vehicle theft 20,300 5,100 15,200

    *In most cases victims who used firearms to defend themselves or
    their property were confronted by offenders who were either unarmed
    or armed with weapons other than firearms. On average between 1987
    and 1992, about 35% (or 22,000 per year) of the violent crime
    victims defending themselves with a firearm faced an offender who
    also had a firearm. (Because the NCVS collects victimization data
    on police officers, its estimates of the use of firearms for
    self-defense are likely to include police use of firearms.
    Questionnaire revisions introduced in January 1993 will permit
    separate consideration of police and civilian firearm cases.)

    Offenders shot at victims in 17% of handgun crimes, 1987-92


    Shot at victim 16.6%
    Hit victim 3.0
    Missed victim 13.6
    Nongunshot injury 1.6
    No physical injury 12.0

    Didn't shoot at victim 83.4%
    Other attack/attempt 19.9
    Verb. threat of attack 15.4
    Weapon present 46.8
    Other threat .8
    Unknown action .5

    Average annual number 699,900

    Note: Excludes homicides.


    I think finding stats by "caliber" may be quite difficult without going through individual records/report.

    Note that the DGU's are called "Firearm self Defense", may try that term in your search's.

  5. sm

    sm member

    Dec 22, 2002
    Between black coffee, and shiftn' gears

    By Caliber -

    I'm reaching here, and forgive me for not having links or if I mis- spell a name.

    Don Spier,, Dave McCracken, Cirillo, Mas Ayoob , Clint Smith, Marty Hayes, Shawn Dodson, Pat Rogers, L Awerbuck, El Tejon...etc. Where I am going is these folks have experience, websites or "access" to info that you may not.

    I'm gonna say with your reputation and credibility - along with having trained with some of these folks .... and I'm guessing you are working on something important ...well...

    Best can do - HTH

  6. benEzra

    benEzra Moderator Emeritus

    Dec 25, 2002
    Down East in NC
    Marshall's book would be a good start; although it excludes all but single-shot torso hits, it would at least give you a feel for the relative magnitudes of the numbers in the various calibers. Police calibers are going to be skewed way up by police use-of-force incidents (probably statistically overrepresented since Marshall would presumably have had better info on these), but non-police calibers (.22, .25, .380, .44, etc.) would be more representative.

    This wouldn't be statistically reliable (selection bias), but you could go through the NRA Armed Citizen book/columns and write down the caliber of the weapon used if it's given.
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