Status of Norinco Import Ban?

[billwiese]

Hawkmoon wrote:

If China becomes the dominant power on Earth, it isn't going to be because I buy a 1911 for $300 from China as compared to a similarly priced gun from the Philippines or Brazil.

It's incremental. No one individual thing does it, it's the conglomeration of many items over time.

You know the Chinese buy lots of Boeing airplanes. Probably to fly the invasion troops here. So let's not sell them, so Airbus gets the business and Boeing shuts down!! All for freedom and liberty.

We should be putting MASSIVE pressure on other countries to not do biz with China. France invade us if we sabotage a few Airbuses on the tarmac waiting for shipment to China?

Hate to say this but there is nothing we can do to stop the rise of China as a superpower. If we have to live with MAD again, we can. I prefer trade and takeout.

Then, sir, you are a sellout/shill for cheap trinkets.

When "global" co's are shells in US but are essentially Chinese co's, there's gonna be a lot of lobbying money spread to Wash DC. Whaddya think'll happen to your (already reduced) freedoms?

There is a lot we can do. For one, helping co's move operations from China to Mexico could help alleviate that country's economic problems, with poltical pressure from US to fix its structural problems. Then, less border-crossing illegals as a side benefit to not funding arming our enemy.

It might even be worth a war and losing a city. American doctrine must always be, "We must always win, and we will always be top-dog." We cannot let slave-labor societies out-breed us, we owe our brother Americans that much.

Bill Wiese
San Jose, CA

 

[horge]

Easy there, Bill.
No call for labelling anyone a shill or sell-out.

I come from a country under economic and military aggression from the PRoC. Dodging Red Chinese merchandise is thrice as hard to do here than there, but I try to do it too. It doesn't mean I disrespect the choice of other Filipinos to devote their energies elsewhere. Their choice, to buy or not to buy, remains a freedom that I'd cherish.

We're presently cursed with a spineless leader, but believe me... as part of the informal leaguer (Japan-Taiwan-Philippines-Thailand) that might restrain a militarily-aggressive China , we have a reasonable idea of what China can and cannot aspire to. Doesn't mean they can't be deluded enough to try,
but hear me out.

The domestic mineral resource base (not just oil) that China draws on cannot sustain the country's growth any longer, and it has begun investing in other countries. This is why China is downsizing its navy (which was getting old and due for overhaul): saber-rattling isn't going to win it any mineral-exploitation concessions from its neighbors. I admit China will still want to take Taiwan.

Still, China's newfound economic strength and confidence goes a long way towards muting China's paranoia, which is one of the key motivations towards its military investment. Capitalism has certainly changed the character of China's 'communism', and may continue to, for the better.

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[spartacus2002]

I think the Chinese play a deeper game than most of us realize. They understand the idea behind "why steal what you can buy for cheap." And as long as they keep us mildly afraid, we're willing to sell to them and buy from them.

 

[joab]

If China is the enemy then it is a questionable strategy for them to supply us with plentiful and inexpensive, acceptable quality firearms.

Why? What are we gonna do shoot their ICBMs with our Nork M1s.

I own a few Nork knock offs that I'm impressed with, all bought used. And I would love to get a Commander size 1911, but would have a difficult time reconciling contributing to the military might of a country who's stated goal is the overthrowing of America.

I applaud bill's commitment, I wish I had the will power to be as conscientious.

BTW alot of the Nikes are made in Vietnam, they hate China too

 

[Lucky]

I totally understand why people feel as they do about China, but IMHO firearms are a minor part of their economy. And firearms are very removed from aerospace industry. If you want to blame someone for their missiles, I think it was Boeing or McD (can't remember which) that applied for a licence, and were granted one, to sell precision aircraft tooling equipment to China. China said they were going to use it for airliner parts, only. As soon as they got the stuff it went straight to a missile factory And no-one was punished.

The tech to make firearms is very different from missile tech. And aiui Norinco is a conglomerate of many littler companies, so the company making pistols isn't going to turn their profits over to the company making missiles, why should they? They'll use their profits to re-invest in their own comany and come out with another product line, or stuff like that.

So on an emotionless level I don't see how buying small arms from China helps them in a threatening manner, because 1)The $values are insignificantly small 2)the technologies are non-transferable to other more threatening industries 3)profits will not be generated and funneled to other more threatening industries.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

Billweise --

You have misquoted me twice. More precisely, you have attributed to me statements posted by other participants.

Please attribute quotes to the correct parties, or stop quoting.

 

[GEM]

It might even be worth a war and losing a city. American doctrine must always be, "We must always win, and we will always be top-dog." We cannot let slave-labor societies out-breed us, we owe our brother Americans that much.

Bill Wiese
San Jose, CA

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You called me a sellout. I regard myself as simply more intelligent with a better grip on history than you. Perhaps, you will volunteer your city and your home as ground zero.

 

[spartacus2002]

It might even be worth a war and losing a city. American doctrine must always be, "We must always win, and we will always be top-dog." We cannot let slave-labor societies out-breed us, we owe our brother Americans that much.

So you now arrogate to yourself the right to wipe out 100K to 1M of your fellow Americans in your vain bid for American glory??

Out-breeding us? Dude, they already have 4x+ our population.

 

[jnojr]

I own a few Nork knock offs that I'm impressed with, all bought used. And I would love to get a Commander size 1911, but would have a difficult time reconciling contributing to the military might of a country who's stated goal is the overthrowing of America.

So buy a SA Ultra Compact I got mine for $499

Personally, i'd jump at the chance to buy a Norinco M-14 clone. I just can't see paying $1200+ for a Springfield. And I'll bet the SAs will drop in price significantly with competition