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Stevens .410 ID help needed.

Discussion in 'Firearms Research' started by Chuck Dye, Jan 16, 2005.

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  1. Chuck Dye

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    The Stevens .410 pictured below is believed to have been manufactured prior to 1920, is without serial number, and has tentatively been identified as a Model 40½. To purchase a replacement stock we must first be sure of the model. Can anyone help?

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  2. Jagermeister

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    Photos did not show on my PC

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  3. Chuck Dye

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    You have to be a member of Microsoft.net to see photos posted there and they do not allow direct linking like free picture hosts like Picture Hanger .
     
  5. SgtMaj

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    Huck Phinn -
    Please keep this thread active. I'm interested in what you find regarding this particular shotgun.

    I've not been able to view your pictures yet but it sounds like my Grandfathers old .410 which he gave to me when I turned 14 (a long time ago). When I was young and foolish I took the stock and forearm off and 'made my own'. Now that I'm old and foolish, I realize that the gun deserves its original wood but after 40 years I can no longer find it.

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  6. Jagermeister

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    Send your photos to me by separate email, I will try and help you:

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    I thought the Model 40-1/2 was a short pocket rifle/bicycle rifle in .22 or .32 rimfire.

    I really need to keep a set of books at the office because my memory ain't what it used to be.

    John
     
  8. SgtMaj

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    Bump

    Just bumping this back to the top. I'm still interested in whatever information can be obtained on this old shotgun and didn't want the thread to die.

    Regards,
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  9. BluesBear

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    The Stevens 40½ is a rimfire Pocket Rifle with a tang mounted sight. It was NOT made in .410.

    The only .410 that Stevens made that is close to a Pocket Rifle was the Model 35 also called the Off Hand Shot Gun (1923-1929), later called the Auto-Shot (1929-1934) The auto refers to Automobile (as did the Ithaca Auto and Burglar).

    Production of the Model 35 was curtailed due the the National Firearms Act of 1934.

    I am not aware of a shoulder stock ever being made for the Model 35.


    We'd like to help ID this piece but without photos it will be nearly impossible.
     
  10. Flamingo joe

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    This also sounds like a Stevens .410 I inherited from my Grandfather about 40 years ago. Use it for .22 side matches in Cowboy Action Shooting. It has an external hammer and the release lever is so far back that if you are not careful when shooting, it will nail the web between your thumb and index finger. If someone can tell me how to post pics, I'll take one and try.

    Joe
     
  11. Chuck Dye

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    Still trying to get it right...

    These hosted images should display for all viewers. I am still trying to get details of the roll marks. Sorry, the photography is not mine and, as the shotgun is a half day's drive away, access to make better photos is limited.

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  12. SgtMaj

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    That's it...

    Huck Phinn,

    Thanks for the photos. That is the same model I have.

    I've not sent one on this forum but there should be PM headed your way shortly.

    Thanks,
    SgtMaj
     
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    That looks like a Stevens 100 series to me.

    Possibly a 140?

    The "or 12MM" markings on the barrel indicate that it's definately early 20th Century. So your pre-1920 estimate accurate.
    Before it was called the .410 in America it was called 12mm in Europe.
    However the longest 12mm shell I have ever seen was only 2".
    I have seen several a couple of European guns with only 2" chambers but I have never seen an American made gun with anything less than a 2½".


    Winchester didn't create the 3" .410 until the mid 1930s.
     
  14. Flamingo joe

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    From the pictures, it looks just like mine.
    Might be a Model 106. That was the first American made shotgun for the 2.5 in. .410, from what I have read.
    I believe Stevens started making them in 1916.


    Joe
     
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    Stevens .410

    I have this shotgun as well, and really hope someone can positively identify it at some point and let people know if its possible to get replacement parts.
    I need the forward stock including the metal, i'm willing to buy another gun for parts if anyone knows of one for sale. Thanks very much for any help.
     
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    I have been told that the variations in the roll marks on the Stevens are important to model and year of manufacture ID. Here are some (slightly) better photos I managed.

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    All of the Stevens single shots which e-gunparts provides free schematics for have trigger guards that resemble omegas having screws at each end of the gurad. My friend's .410 has a trigger gurad that curves back on itself and has only the rear screw. Nothing I have found in print looks like it.
     
  18. ww23.8

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    update

    Thanks for the tip. Nancy at Numrich/e-gunparts.com identified this shotgun as a model 89 and I have ordered the parts I need, for under $50. You wouldn't believe how excited I am. She told me the parts would be original -how they could have original parts for a gun manuractured in 1917 is a mystery to me and i'm hoping I dont get a box filled with parts for some other gun. Here's the link she gave me:
    http://www.e-gunparts.com/products.asp?chrMasterModel=089Zz89 SHOTGUN&MC=

    This gun was given to me by my Grandfather who got it from his dad when he was 16, he told me his dad traded another gun for it because it had a 36" barrel and therefore it would be hard for him to shoot himself with it!! he carved his innitials in the butt plate where you can still see em after 70+ years. The gun itself is completely worn down from years of use and is not worth much, Im sure, but its the only thing I have of his and it just means the world to me. He told me his brother borrowed it sometime in the 1950's and lost the forend stock, wich I know always bugged him. This shotgun always sat in the corner of his cabin and I know he must have shot thousands of squirrels with it over the years. I think he would be happy to know it will be getting some use again.
    I hope to restore it and do some quail hunting. Now I just have to take the hunting class to get a liscense, which in California is 16 hours of class time!!
    After the parts get here, ill post again to let people know if they turn out to be the correct parts.

    Thanks again.
     
  19. BluesBear

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    Congratulations ww23.8 !

    I'm sure your grandfather is looking down upon you with a great big smile.

    Numrich has always been great folks to deal with. I first called then in 1967 looking for a small part for a gun my Father brought back from the war. We didn't even have any idea what brand it was. I described it to the gentleman on the phone and they knew right away. They sent me the part and it was a perfect fit. Their employees really know their stuff!

    Two weeks ago the sear finally wore out on the early 1950s vintage Marlin bolt action .22 my Dad gave me back when I turned 13. Numrich sent me a brand spanking new one that works perfect. Hopefully it will last another 100,000 rounds.

    I really don't know how long Numrich has been in business but I recall reading their advertisments in Field & Stream as early as 1960. They have spent years buying all of the left over parts from every company imaginable. If they made guns and went out of business you can bet Numrich probably bought all of the parts. They will also buy just about any old gun they can find.

    I am always delighted when someone can restore an heirloom to working order.
    Those old guns had so much soul to them. They're like a time machine connecting you with the past.

    Now find a few old roll crimped paper shells and fire them just for the heck of it.
     
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    Oooops I forgot.

    Now where are my manners.




    Welcome Aboardâ„¢ ww23.8 !
     
  21. deciple-of-keith

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    It does my Old soul a power of good to see, people who actualy praise the .410 .There was a time here in Auz that the .410 was the weapon of choice for youngsters Who went Ferriting!or just pigeon hunting .I think most of my Childhood friends including myself ,boasted about having a .410 as our first shotgun (there were those who were true Capitilists & had sxs or converted #3 enfields from India ,these were a 3shot bolt but most of us had singles).Then the .410 faded from popularlarity.In favor for 12g's .But I've got a little Boito .410 for my lad .We both get a lot of use & fun out of that Gun
     
  22. ww23.8

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    Update Stevens .410 parts

    As it turned out Numrich didn't have the parts I ordered in April, althought their web site continues to list them as available. A few days after my post on April 22 I recieved an invoice that listed all the parts i had ordered as unavailable and to try back in 30-60 days :banghead: Ive tried back a few times but they still didnt have them :banghead: just yesterday though, I got an email that the complete forend Iron was in stock, but not the wood. It was only $16 so I ordered it.
    The plan now is to make the damn wood part myself if the iron comes in and is the right part, if that's what I end up doing, I may beg some of you guys with access to this shotgun to send me some detailed pictures of the forend stock and some guesses as to wood type.

    the saga continues.............
     
  23. Steven Mace

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    I would suggest contacting the people at The Small Arms Shop, www.savageparts.com. They specialize in replacement parts for older Savage & Stevens firearms. Hope this helps!

    Steve Mace
     
  24. ww23.8

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    wrong parts

    The parts came in today and appear to be for the 12g not the .410...........................back to square one, well square two, at least we know the model number now. Life is what happens while your making plans......

    William
     
  25. Chuck Dye

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    Well, I finally got around to sending my photos to Numrich. Nancy responded as follows:

    Dear Huck,

    This gun is an early 94. If it has a 2" tang the stock is not available. If the stock is 2 3/4" I've attached the link for this.

    http://www.e-gunparts.com/product.asp?chrProductSKU=149830G
    If you have any further questions please feel free to contact me again.

    Thank You,

    Nancy
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