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Stocking up my SHTF box--suggestions for .22LR's.

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Deus Machina, Dec 22, 2008.

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  1. Deus Machina

    Deus Machina Member

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    My 'Fallout holdout' batch includes a can of milsurp steel-core 7.62x54r, another of x39 in various Wolf formats, and another that will be split between 9mm (FMJ and JHP) and .22LR.

    The other calibers aren't a problem, but I'm searching for a .22 round that will gladly put food on the table, withstand the elements (I don't trust this bulk box stuff, where the bullets spin easily in the brass, for that), and isn't the $.75/round target stuff--I have to buy a few thousand rounds on a college boy's budget.

    For sake of argument, let's say it will be going through something like a Henry lever-action (blued, not the Golden Boy, if there are any internal differences), 10/22, or Ruger Mk3 pistol. So if those have any problems with something like Stinger, the funky stuff is out.
     
  2. finfanatic

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    bulk .22

    I like the Federal bulk packs you can get at Walmart (when they are not sold out!). $16.97 was the last price I paid for 525 rounds. They function fine in my Ruger 10/22 and Mark III pistol. Out of my cheap bolt action (Norinco) with cheap scope(tasco) , I eat up a 1 inch target at 50 yards.

    For a bit more, you can buy a brick of Federal Champion (around $2.50 a box of 50 rounds), making a brick of 500 rounds $25.00. The Champion comes with a plastic ammo holder in the box.

    Same with .22 Blazer ammo, which actually groups better for my Norinco than the Federal, but the Blazer costs more. I think I paid $2.99 pr 50 round box for the Blazers.

    I have used the Remington cheap(er) .22s also, but they are covered with some nasty gray grease, and they shoot some gosh-awful dirty powder.

    I am about to place an order for .22 ammo from here:

    http://www.commandsurplus.com/Ammo-.22-Long-Rifle/c3688_6795/index.html?page=1

    They have the Champion in bulk and the Blazer. Alot cheaper than buying the box and plastic clips that come with 50 round boxes.
     
  3. Deus Machina

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    Oh, I've got my own personal favorites. I loved the 25-year-old Winchester Wildcat my dad gave me with my Mk3, but which I can't find at the local stores, and I really do love the Federal bulk pack--it's not the most accurate for me (might be my shooting), but my gun eats it like candy and it's cheap. Don't mind Thunderbolt, but dunno about that coating. Haven't tried my Winchester bulk pack yet. So far, all but the Wildcat turn in the brass.

    The reason I prefer to pass on the bulk packs for this is because 1) I'm really not sure they'd be great for taking game and 2) they rattle in their brass. Without a good seal like CCI's or even a plastic box, if I have to shove them in my pack and hump it in the rain, I may end up eating what I can dig out of the ground.

    But my box will include a bulk pack or two--Federal unless I find better--in case I have the luxury of digging in where I am or have decent transport to take the whole can with me.
     
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  4. monkyboy1975

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    Mini mags for defense, C.B. longs for gathering food (You don't want any undue attention);)
     
  5. Brian Williams

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    Sorry, but Federal Bulk pack is what fills my BOB/72 hr bag and a 1st series Colt Woodsman.
     
  6. Mike U.

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    Every single .22 caliber weapon has it's own ammo preference. If you and I both had say, oh, Marlin 60's with serial numbers one apart, my rifle will likely not prefer what your rifle would shoot reliably and accurately and vice-versa.
    Buy lots of different brands and buy up what shoots best in YOUR rifle. That is the only way to get what works best for YOUR gun.
     
  7. RSVP2RIP

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    The Velociter from CCI is the most accurate out of my Ciener Commando conversion, gold dot hollow point to boot. Does a number on feral cats but does cost more than a bulk pack 22. About $6 a box of 50. But for SHTF, I agree that CB's or shorts are the way to go as they are quiet and don't destroy a lot of protein. But for a BOB I have Datrex Emergency rations as the scope of the BOB is only for 3 days. I have a Browning High Power Practical in mine. Sorry for getting off topic.
     
  8. moooose102

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    i really like remington "cyclone" ammo. it is the cleanest 22 ammo i have shot. just a plain lead hollow point, but shoot a box, then look down the barrel. it will be almost as clean as when you started. if it was dirty when you started, it might even be cleaner! one of mine was.
     
  9. rangerruck

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    Easy, you have two choices here, CCI SGB's, this is a solid lead bullet, that when penetrating, breaks into 3 large chunks, very ouchy.
    Aguila- hi speeds, in either solid point or hollow points. Very fast, very accurate, and copper washed.
    Aguila- interceptors. the kings. not , I repeat, not in a stinger case, but a
    regular 22lr case, it uses a full 40 grain bullet, and it leaves the muzzle at
    a full 1470 fps or faster. Extremely ouchy.
     
  10. BlacklabelOP

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    Federal bulk..
    For the price it is just too good, since you want alot right? Or get the individually packed federal champion.. boxes near the top..
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  11. monkyboy1975

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    WOW, nice ammo dump :D
     
  12. BlacklabelOP

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    I need more :what:
     
  13. monkyboy1975

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    But you can never have enough:neener:
    btw I like the join date hehe
     
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    wow thats oodles of .22! im only slightly behind though, ive got about 1000:)
     
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    Personally my favorites happen to be
    Mini-mag HP
    Super Colibri subsonics
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    The Remington bulk pack HP.

    Out of all three surprisingly, my Marlin 60 happens to like the bulk stuff the best. I suspect it's due to the fact that it's non jacketed, though I may be wrong. And as long as you're not looking to take on bull elk or something like that :p , the remmy stuff works just fine on small game such as squirrel and rabbit.
     
  16. Davek1977

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    Federal 510's are availble at most Walmarts at 1.28-1.47 per box of 50. They shoot great in my 10/22, though my Buckmark doesn't care for them. Federal 550 bulk packs are also availble, at roughly 14 bucks per carton of 550 at my local Walmart. I've been shooting that stuff for years, and while you said you didn't want bulk, I've had no reason to NOT recommend the Federal variety, as it functions in all my .22's. For sheer reliability though, nothing, IMO, holds a candle to CCI mini-mags, either solid or HP. I've shot them on and off for the last 20 plus years, and NEVER remember having one nopt go bang when the trigger was pulled. Too, they are more than accecptably accurate, and are among the cleanest shooting .22 rounds I've come across.
     
  17. Deus Machina

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    Oh, don't get me wrong, I love the Federal hollowpoint bulk pack. And I'm keeping a couple bulk packs in my can. Currently Golden Bullet and Winchester X-pert, until I can figure what my guns like best. I just want half or more of the .22 (by volume, in the can) something that isn't loose in the brass and likely to go dead if I have to shove it in the bag and hump it in the rain.

    I'm keeping all this in mind, though. It does look like the bulk packs are winning, and if they're really that great for game (there's not enough around here that I think I could take with a short, really :( ) I may just spend some time with a jar of sealer or split it into batches and vacuum bag it.

    Or if I find a solid I really like, I just may buy or fab up one of those Accurizer gizmos, and convert to HP.
     
  18. regal

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    Unless you own a few thousand acres of land to hunt you are going to want Super Colibri's. WTSHTF people aren't going to take kindly to hearing rifle fire in their woods.
     
  19. Deus Machina

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    Hmm. True. Maybe I'll split it 50/50.

    I don't have any privately owned woodland in my area, but if I need to grab it and run, I won't want landowners further north or cops hearing it.
     
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    Federal and Remington 550 bulk packs here... I try to buy at least 2 of each per month for the last 8 months... I've not had any trouble with loose bullets in the brass... been out in the rain, icey/snow, wind, etc... as well as good weather... haven't noticed any change in reliability...
     
  21. BlacklabelOP

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    You can always get some CCI velocitors in the 50 packs and use clear nail polish to seal up the edges of the plastic container.
     
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    I don't think I would do that. The acetone in the nail polish would melt the plastic and glue the lid on.

    I have 22 ammo I have had for 25+ years that still fires just fine. The Aquilla Colibri 22s are not very good options for hunting ammo. I have shot several squirrels with it and had them run away. I found them dead later but that was after they were unfit to eat. If you were shooting birds they would be fine if the birds aren't too big or the range too long.

    If you want quiet try the CB 22 longs. I have never had any problem with rounds where the bullet spun in the case. It doesn't seem to hurt anything as far as I can tell.

    I haven't shot them but I was going to order some of the Remington CBEE22s from Midway. These are 33gr bullets that should shoot better in the 1/16 twist barrels on our 22 rifles. But as usual they were "Out of stock, Backorder OKay".

    I doubt anything but full power ammo will function your Ruger pistol. Buy several types of ammo and try it. Thats the only way you will find what works best for you.

    The federal bulk packs have been very good ammo for me. I just shot my new Ruger 22/77 last week and got groups at 50 yards that were an inch or less, and this was using the door frame on my truck for a rest. From a real bench rest I bet they do a little better.
     
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    CCI mini mags have worked well for me, don't think the ones I used were HP though. It escapes me, the name of the brand a friend uses which is real quiet... He'd shot one off, right in the city, not 50 feet from me, and I didn't even hear it. Will ask him and post it up.
     
  24. ZombiesAhead

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    .22lr is so cheap compared to other calibers that I have a 5,000+ round "SHTF" stockpile without even really trying. I have quite a bit of CCI mini-mags in HP, standard velocity, high velocity, and maybe even some stingers and CB longs lying around. I also stock Remington Subsonic for suppressed use. I also use the blue-box Walmart Federal bulk packs though and Remington "Golden Bullets" (very dirty) to supplement the count with really cheap stuff.

    However, I only trust the CCI's to cycle my 10/22 reliably and cleanly. My other .22lr is a CZ Kadet Kit on a CZ-75 SP-01 that I feed exclusively CCI.
     
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    I bought a box of the Remington 525 bulk brass coated JHP ammo and it is nasty. It coats the inside of the receiver with a nasty grey wax and jams on every 3rd round.

    I gave up and just used the Federal FMJ from Wal-mart. Feeds like a dream, no jams, and it's not very dirty either. I think it costs $13 for a box of 500.

    I would recommend having at least 2 bricks of the .22LR for your SHTF scenario. Short of a full Class 3 outbreak, you will be fine against zombies with the .22LR as long as you shoot at the head slowly and don't waste bullets on body shots which have no effect.
     
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