Storing gun while staying on military base

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  1. GravelRider

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    I'll be going on vacation with my RV in January to Florida. For three nights we're staying at a military RV park in Key West. It is on the base and federal property. They do not allow firearms on base, and they do not have any provisions for storing a personally owned firearm. That campground (Sigsbee Campground) was the only campground that had any openings in all of Key West for our dates.

    Has anyone stored a gun while on vacation and/or on a military base? I already called two gun/pawn shops, and they both said they no longer deal in guns, and didn't have any recommendations. There are also two gun shops, but their hours are odd enough not to really be a viable option.

    If worse comes to worse I'll just leave my pistol home, as I often vacation to places I'm not allowed to bring a gun.
     
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  2. SterlingBullet

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    Rent a locker at the bus station. Or find a gunsmith and pay for a gun cleaning and request a specific day when it will ready to pick up.
     
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    Firearms Policy
    Personal firearms must be declared, then turned in at the armory to be stored. The maximum storage period is 2 weeks. Registration paperwork is required and a background check will be performed.

    https://www.militarycampgrounds.us/florida/sigsbee-rv-park

    (305) 293-4432 - Rentals: (305) 293-5000
     
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    You could rent a safe deposit box at the bank, depending on bank a small box rents for about $30 a year give or take a few.
     
  5. Waveski

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    The gunsmith/shop option sounds like the least hassle. If , that is , you can find one you are comfortable with.
    At least you are dealing with the situation in Florida.
     
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    NAS Key West can be a real pain for lots of things, and Key West is a different environment than most if not all people on THR are accustomed to. "Gun culture" is pretty much absent on KW, and probably anywhere in the keys. You maybe could try to drop off your weapon(s) at a gun shop on the mainland (think Florida City, Miami, et.) which is about 150 miles away from KW. I would never do something to violate base regs, since those SP's "might" actually take the time to search every inch of that big RV- you never know, they may look inside the furniture, cereal boxes in a grocery bag, etc.
     
  7. dogtown tom

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    From where?
    There is no federal firearm "registration paperwork" and the overwhelming majority of states don't have "registration paperwork" either. Someone wrote a policy that cannot be fulfilled.

    By who, for what reason and above all why?
    Again, sounds like the campground/facility is inventing rules.



    Understand that transferring possession to a gun dealer in another state may be an issue.
    "Temporary storage" is not an exemption to the GCA '68. If you transfer a firearm to a licensed dealer, whether for storage, consignment sale, etc........you have to complete a Form 4473 and NICS to get it back. Being that the OP is not a resident of Florida, a Florida dealer cannot transfer the handgun to him.

    There IS an exemption under federal law for the return of a repaired firearm, no 4473/NICS required. But that needs to be a bonafide repair (and yes, cleaning and a function check are typical gunsmithing services). Be aware that a state may have additional regulations.
     
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  8. George Dickel

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    Military base commanders are allowed considerable authority over privately owned weapons on the base and can institute measures that go far beyond federal laws. On most bases a private weapon owned by a military member living on base must be registered with the military police and the weapon must be stored in the owner's unit armory unless the member lives in family housing. They may keep the firearm in their home. Military personnel living in the barracks must keep it in the unit armory. I have heard of some bases that require the firearm owner to obtain permission from his unit commander before being able to take it from the unit armory to shoot at a range or just for cleaning.
    In the situation of a military member living off base there is no requirement to register a weapon with the military police unless the military base has a shooting range open to the military members for private use of their privately owned firearm. To be able to utilize the shooting range the weapon must be registered with the military police so as to be legal when bringing the firearm on base.

    I would assume, based on my military service, the weapon(s) will have to be registered with the military police office for accountability of the firearm(s) by the military while stored in the armory. The background check is probably another CYA for the military to make sure the gun owner is legally allowed to possess a firearm. You can't assume the individual possessing the guns is legally allowed to possess them just because they are in his possession.
     
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  9. 12Bravo20

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    The military does not have to follow all federal gun laws, They can make on base restrictions much tougher than civil laws are. And it has always been that way. As others have stated, each base commander can set their own regulations on top of military wide regulations.

    I have been stationed at some bases where anyone under the rank of E5 could not have private firearms at all on base, while others only allowed it if the service member lived in on base housing. Other bases didn't have restrictions based on rank. Anyone that lives in the barracks must keep all private firearms in the unit arms room. Or at least that is how it was when I was in. And every base I was at, we had to register each and every firearm with the Provost Marshal office. I also had to put personal ID marks on all of my firearms made prior to 1968 that did not have a serial number. When I was at Ft. Irwin/NTC 95-96, I even had to register my compound bow.
     
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    I understand the base commanders authority, but that has nothing to do with my post.
    There is no federal firearm registration. What documents do you think someone would provide to meet that requirement?o_O

    Oddly, Texas police officers do that every day.






    Who said they did? Not me.
    I questioned the base requirement to provide "Registration paperwork".
    I'm an FFL, I've transferred 25,000+ firearms with ZERO "registration paperwork" for the buyer/transferee......it doesn't exist. Tens of millions of firearms have no such "registration paperwork".
    Do you see the problem?:rofl:
     
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  11. TimRB

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    I think you have misunderstood the statement. This is what was written: "Registration paperwork is required and a background check will be performed." I interpret that to mean that the firearm registration and associated paperwork will be performed at the campground. (Or armory, base entry point, whatever...)

    Tim
     
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    As TimRB stated, the registration paperwork is for on base only and has absolutely nothing to do with off base or with any federal regulations. Military installations, to include recreational areas/campgrounds, are basically their own little world and have way more strict laws and regulations than off base. In fact all federal installations are that way. Don't try having a weapon even in the parking lot of a VA hospital or outpatient clinic.
     
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    I suggest you call the campground office and ask. I feel quite certain it will not be the first time. The question has bee asked. If they tell that you cannot bring a gun onto the property, you might ask them if they have a recommendation for a place to securely store it during your visit. You might find that that have provisions on-site. To secure the gun.
     
  14. George Dickel

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    I don't have a problem. As I said, based on my experience in the Army as a Military Policeman, I am quite sure the registration paperwork required is generated by the base military police office. Not a state or federal registration which I know doesn't exist in many states. The base registration allows the visitor to legally have the firearm on the base. As far as the background check it is a CYA on the base commander's part to insure the person is legally allowed to possess a firearm.
     
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  15. GravelRider

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    Thank you for all the replies so far.

    Although the website says that the firearm can be registered and stored, the SP I talked to said they absolutely do not allow it, and they are who I will be dealing with when I go through the gates. With 22 years of service and counting (mix of active and reserve), I have enough experience to know when it's not worth it to press an issue.

    I love the idea of a gun cleaning drop off and pick up. I will definitely be looking into that. The cheap safe deposit box is a great idea as well. I don't feel comfortable with using a bus station locker, but it's a great idea nonetheless. Keep the ideas coming. I really appreciate everyone taking the time to reply here
     
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  16. herrwalther

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    I have stored firearms on half a dozen bases. As a soldier. Doing so as a civilian would be nigh impossible in my opinion. On Army bases, the Provost Marshal is one of the determining authorities when making a consideration about firearms on base, other than the commander. Not sure how the Navy does things so contacting them would be a shot in the dark.

    There was an earlier suggestion to drop it off at a gunsmith for a cleaning or some other work with a set date on when to pickup. That would be easier than finding a locker or some other storage.
     
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    It's not really, we now have DA civilians (Actually the term changed to ACPs for Army Civilian Professionals) residing on our post as the housing was privatized a few years back. Something like 80% of the base housing is now privatized army wide. Priority still goes to uniformed members, but I know several regular ACPs (GS12s and 13s) that live on post as well as a couple of our SGSs (GO equivalent civilian).

    Also we have a Skeet/trap range that probably has more civilian shooters than mil.

    https://www.military.com/money/home-ownership/renting-house/retirees-civilians-want-live-base-housing-yes-you-can.html

    here's the form we use on FLKS:

    https://home.army.mil/leavenworth/application/files/8414/9728/3239/DES_Weapons_Registration_Application.pdf

    Note the section for civilians.
     
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    This may help

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    That is interesting, but...when I use the term civilian I am referring to anyone that does not have a CAC on their person. Someone with no connection to the DOD. DA civilians and the non-uniformed support staff have abilities that a guy in an RV showing up don't have.
     
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  20. GravelRider

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    Update: I'm currently at Sigsbee Campground on the naval airbase. I dropped my pistol off for a cleaning at Island Arms in Key Largo. I'll be picking it up in 3 days. First time I ever paid for a gun cleaning! Lol
     
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    That was probably the best solution. Enjoy the vacation.
     
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  22. MEHavey

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    Call them.
    Naval Air Station Key West, Florida
    (305) 293-4408


    Update: just saw your update op cit where you dropped the weapon off at gunstore/cleaning. Fortunate circumstance.
    That said, I recommend all here call the provost marshall (or the like) at any military base/post/station ahead of time.
    Get the straight scoop.
     
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  23. GravelRider

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    I already called them, and they said they do not allow storage of personally owned firearms if not stationed here.
     
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    Good show . . . :thumbup:
    (and good info)
     
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    How’s the trip going? Did you see any dolphins or other fish yet?
     
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