Straight wall cartridges for Illinois deer?

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  1. PapaG

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    Wear a thick pad. I had the Buffalo Hunter and it was wicked with the curved steel but plate.
     
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  2. Armored farmer

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    This one has a butt pad, and comes with 100pcs of brass.
    Now I need a mold! Suggestions?
    I plan on loading pretty mild.
     
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    I think a number of straight wall states are limiting the length of case so that a 45/70 might not be allowed. But I could be wrong and frequently am according to the ex Mrs. Citizenconn.
     
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  4. Armored farmer

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    That would be parr for Illinois.
     
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    Whatever they go with should still be an improvement over the 73/82 (12 gauge 3 dram equivalent) in common use. For the moment legal handgun cartridges are defined per the DNR as:
    • For handguns, a bottleneck centerfire cartridge of .30 caliber or larger with a case length not exceeding 1.4 inches, or a straight-walled centerfire cartridge of .30 caliber or larger, both of which must be available as a factory load with the published ballistic tables of the manufacturer showing a capability of at least 500 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. Note: There is no case length limit for straight-walled cartridges.
    I would expect any single shot rifle they agreed to allow would have the same definitions.
     
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  6. WisBorn

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    I hope that the straight wall cartridge option passes. As a former resident of IL I only drew a firearm tag one of the three years that I lived there.
    Offering an additional option is good for hunters and the sport.
    I would have to buy a 45/70 if I still lived there:cool:
     
  7. redneck

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    Ohio did not put a length limit when they went straight wall, which didn't make a lot of sense for the logic they were using about limiting range, but then the regulations for squirrel says" Rifles:Any Caliber". I don't argue, I'm much happier using a rifle than a slug gun for deer.
     
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  8. Fine Figure of a Man

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    Starting this year "Iowa deer hunters can use necked cartridges between .35 and .50 caliber". I can't find the text of the law and expect it will be amended before the fall. It's just too stupid as it stands now. A .416/50BMG is a legal round but 6.5 Creed, 270 Win and 7mm-08 are not? Leave it to those in government.
     
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    Nowadays, shotguns can have rifled barrels (Hasting) sabot slugs, etc. I am not a proponent of rifle or shotgun restrictions but I don't see a shotgun as being that much of a handicap unless you are hunting out west or elsewhere where long shots are sometimes necessary.
    I killed my 1st deer with a slug at about 100 yards back in the 60s. Also killed over 2 dozen with buckshot. At the time all I had to hunt with was a shotgun.
     
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    Having shot dozens of deer with a shotgun, I can say it is most definitely a handicap. That is why shotguns were/are mandated.
     
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    Shotguns with deer slugs. What's not to love? The recoil of a .458 win mag and the range of a .44 rem mag!
     
  12. Bfh_auto

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    I almost bought one of those. It came with 2 boxes of Lever evolution missing 2 cartridges.
    I figured it was a case of; There is no way it kicked that hard. Followed by yes it did. Then an I'm selling this thing.

    Reloader 7 is perfect for 45-70. The only mold I have shot was a 500 Postel which is not close to a hunting bullet.

    I'm happy to see Illinois potentially doing something good. Raising their speed limit is the only other thing I've heard about in my lifetime.
     
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  13. alsaqr

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    Just checked, muzzleloaders are legal in IL deer seasons.

    Get yourself an inline .50 or .54 caliber muzzleloader and don't look back. :p
     
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  14. Armored farmer

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    It looks like straightwall cartridges passed for Illinois deer!
    I never thought that I would really see it!
    My 1894c .357 is legal!
    My .45/70 Handi-rifle is legal!

    Others too.
     
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    The LEE mold that throws the copy of the 405 government bullet is a good one. Accurate in my rifles.
     
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  16. PapaG

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    Did they not say single shot? Can we "plug" our Marlins?
     
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    The legislation has a definition of single shot which specifically says the rifle can only hold 1 round total between magazine and chamber, and the hunter cannot be in proximity of any magazine which would allow any additional rounds (basically zero capacity sleds only). It did not have the language we see for shotguns where plugs are allowed, so tube fed lever guns may end up in limbo until someone gets the DNR to clarify their interpretation.
     
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    I think if you read the bill carefully, you will find that only single shot rifles using straight wall pistol cartridges are legal.
    In order to make my Henry .44 magnum lever action legal (that is a single shot), I bought a replacement magazine tube, removed the spring, and cut a 1/4" dowel rod the correct length to fit in the middle of the spring as I reinstalled it. This modification will not allow any rounds in the magazine tube and only single rounds must be fed through the ejection port.
     
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    So in about 5-6 years we'll get to use our leverguns. That's about how long it took for handguns to be allowed into the regular season, once they saw we weren't going to go on a rampage.
     
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    Henry builds a single shot 350 legend that is worth looking at
     
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    Or a 45. I use 200 sst with 777. It's relatively flat shooting and accurate.

    I'm happy for all the Illinois hunters. Finally getting a little back.
     
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    I know our law in MI states a case length at 1.8" making .45/70 a no-go in the former "shotgun zone". You can still use a .45/70 in the northern lower and the upper.

    -Jeff
     
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    I built a .50 Beowulf AR for Ohio deer since we can only use straight walled cases. H may have been better off with one in 450 Bushmaster for a slightly flatter trajectory but 90% of my hunting is in deep woods so I think I’ll be fine with the .50. Haven’t taken one down with it yet but I don’t think the 350 gr Hornady Interlock would under perform doing 1700fps on shots under100 yds.

    Here’s the .50 Beowulf next to a .223 .300 BO and 7.62x39.
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  24. PapaG

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    For about sixty years now. I've killed my deer with a Zouave, a Tingle, a TC Hawken, a traditional (I built it) Hawken, a Strightline O/U I built (12/.45) and one CVA. Oh yeah, my 1976 bicentennial flintlock.
    This year, my Henry single shot 357, which may become a 357 Max.
     
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    A couple days ago I ventured through the local, much online maligned, National chain store. Asked the gun counter stud if they had Henry single shot 357. "No".
    Checked the used rack. Yup, a pristine 357 Henry. Stud was gone but junior in nerd was there. Asked him how they set their prices as this " previously owned" gun was priced at $50 over MSRP.
    He filtered and blistered but failed miserably.
    I filled out a customer feedback form online. Next day I got a call from the manager. We talked about prices and pricing, my bona fides as an appraiser with forty years in the business. Four hours later he called and told me h had dropped the price by $150!!!
    I went in today, checked for recall protocol and bought it. 98% plus.
    Don't be afraid to call them out and don't be afraid to walk away.
    Look out, 2023 deer on Walnut Hill, the Geisz paradise.
     
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