Strange stock padding seen in ukraine conflict

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  1. Sam1911

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    Leave it to the Russians to keep things as simple as possible. Not saying I like them, but you gotta give 'em some credit where it's due.

    In the US, it would be wrapped in some sterilized packaging, then contained in some molle webbed zippered monstrosity and sold to the US Military for ten times what it's worth.
     
  3. Sam1911

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    I don't know...

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    http://www.tacticaltailor.com/tourniquetpouch.aspx

    Tactical Tailor makes this one, and I don't think I'd call it a monstrosity.

    And, while a tourniquet really doesn't need to be kept sterile, I don't think I'd want it wrapped around my rifle if I really needed it.
     
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    Not to mention that if you actually read the studies that lead to the adoption of the new tourniquet, you'd probably pick the $25 CAT over some tubing if you were bleeding out.
     
  5. Jenrick

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    If you want something very similar (and a little wider so it'll be more comfortable, though it still hurts like hell): http://www.swattourniquet.com/ under $10 most places.

    It doesn't work nearly as well as other options out there like the CAT, SOFT, etc. but it certainly is cheap and simple. Biggest reason I wouldn't put it out in the open on my rifle stock, is that all it takes is a cut or hole in the rubber and now there is a very real chance it'll split/break and be rendered useless when used.

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    The Russian thing looks like something any GI would find a 1,000 uses for, besides just a tourniquet.

    Looks like a field expedient 'Splint lashing strap', 'Could be used for a rifle sling', 'Tie it to a helmet strap and bail water out of a creek to drink', 'Hold your pants up when the cheap belt they gave you breaks', or 'Secure a prisoners hands behind his back' sort of kit to keep handy to me.

    Maybe they don't have 550 cord, plastic handcuffs, & 100 MPH tape falling out of supply choppers a radio call and 15 minutes away?

    Or don't feel like carrying it all, when the Russian tourniquet serves almost as well for all the same things?

    Just guessing though. :confused:

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    I think you could accomplish the same thing with the SWAT-T it's basically a long piece of rubber. Maybe not as easy to use as a cat type but a lot more versatile. If I can dig up mu old training one I might try it on an AR.
     
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    So you would prefer rubber tubing? I'll choose sterile pressure bandages and blot clotting sponges every time.
     
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    KodeFore - SWAT-T's are almost impossible to apply to your own arms with sufficient tightness, even in training. Trying to do it with a real arterial bleed would probably be impossible.

    I agree that a SWAT-T has a lot of alternate uses over a CAT or SOFT, but I think those devices make better sole purpose tourniquets.

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    Just making an observation. Compared to the GSA acquisitions process, the idea of Russian practicality seemed like something worth a moment of contemplation. Chock it up to late night ramblings......

    They take the same approach to everything. Simple and rugged. Like the AK. or their aircraft. If it breaks, sucks to be the guy who goes down with it, but that's why they make so many. Quantity over quality kind of thing. Holds true with your arguments about the risk of infection or failure due to tearing. That's the mentality..... The benefits of a cheap and mass-produced product outweigh the risks.

    Rest assured that I'll be the guy crying "wolverines" the loudest should the day come where we're faced with a bunch of Putin-ites coming at us with surgical tubing wrapped around their rifle stocks.
     
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    I handled plenty of the ones in Army med kits and you're completely incorrect.

    I'd take a CAT over the Russian elastic strap tourniquet any day, but if they'd have just put a square ring on one end where you had the option to loop it back to cinch it the thing would have been much better.
     
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    You have to understand the Soviet/Russian view towards treatment of wounded. Their soldiers were left to their own devices.

    In Afghanistan & Chechnya, their TOE listed one medic plus assistant per battalion... US has medics at platoon and squad levels with additional assets at battalion. American servicemen survived their wounds at far higher levels than the Sovs/Russians always.

    Their soldiers had to do with most of their own battlefield wound management. Without fast treatment nor reliable evacuation possible, their only hope was to "wrap a tourniquet around that!"
     
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    Pretty sure we've got the gun-related question asked & answered.


    Questions about first aid stuff and differences b/n East vs West battlefield medical care really aren't in the scope of THR.

    Any Mod that feels the close was pre-mature can re-open.
     
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