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Strange thing at Starbucks

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by steverjo, Sep 8, 2009.

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  1. steverjo

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    I was in a hurry coming out of Starbucks today and as I was heading towards my car, i was approaching a guy from the rear. He was wearing a white long sleeve shirt, dark slacks and no jacket, with "odd suspenders" and was surrounded by a bunch of teenage, early 20's girls giggling, oohing and ahhing at him. As i got closer, i noticed the barrel of a hand gun pointing from his left side, parrallel to the ground aimed right at my mid section.

    After quickly stepping sideways, i noticed as I passed him that he was wearing some sort police/sheriff badge on his belt. He appeared to be having fun with all the girls.

    I have never really looked at shoulder holsters before, is it normal for the muzzel to point out the back at anyone who may be behind the person?
     
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  2. Kangspec

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    um, yeah so it can be easier to hold the handgun.

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  3. steverjo

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    Just curious....... Why is it ok to point a loaded gun at someone this way?
     
  4. N003k

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    It's generally assumed that the gun can't go off on it's own without human intervention...

    Kinda like it's assumed that the guns pointing at you from the cases in a gun shop aren't a threat, or breaking any of the rules.
     
  5. DougDubya

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    The trigger guard is generally shielded from being tripped, it is secured against falling, and the retention strap makes the weapon's operation problematic.
     
  6. armoredman

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    Goofy to use without a covering garment, though.
     
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    ...as it assumed that a gun in a standard holster will not discharge and blow a hole in your leg or foot.
     
  8. kd7nqb

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    I know several LEO's who are high enough up in the "brass" that they don't wear a traditional uniform and it would not be out of place for them to be dressed like that. Eventually they tend to fade to just a pistol a mag or 2 and some cuffs. Giving up the extras.
     
  9. steverjo

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    It still seems kind of odd. In a traditional holster, it is your own leg or foot that gets the hole. This way, it is the person behind you that gets shot. And it just seems like an accident waiting to happen with teenage/20something girls fooling around with him.

    NOO3K, guns in cases are usually unloaded. This was probably loaded.
     
  10. smithmax

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    Steverjo, guns don't just go off, so you don't need to worry about a gun in a secure holster. It may be unsettling to see, but it's not a threat.
     
  11. earlthegoat2

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    This has been going on for ages and it started way back when people had more common sense than they do now.

    In a gun store, all the guns could be loaded in those cases and as long as no one ever pulled the trigger on one I bet there would never be a gunshot in the place.
     
  12. SalchaketJoe

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    I thought a holstered weapon was considered a "safe" weapon. The shoulder holster safety thing was big in Iraq a couple of years ago in the military. People made the same complaint about the muzzle. They failed to realize that with a leg holster, which is also popular over there, when you sit down (like at the crowded chow hall) you are flagging people with the holstered pistol
     
  13. KenWP

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    I would be more concerned about the gigglly girls then the gun.
     
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    Concerns about a gun just "going off" seem to be more at home among the anti's than among seasoned shooters. We all SHOULD know that it takes the trigger being pulled to fire a gun. A holstered gun, with the entire trigger mechanism covered, is not going to fire unless somone unholsters it and pulls the trigger. Too, with the way semi-auto pistols function, an accidental discharge while holstered in such a mannner is all but impossible. Shoulder holsters of this design are quite common, and if they had a tendency to cause accidntal or negligent discharges, I doubt this would be the case. Furthermore, i don't see how a group of people, regardless of age, "oohing and ahhing" at someone would somehow make their carry weapon any more likely to fire? Touching "close to" a gun doesn't make it go bang. Accidently brushing up against a holstered gun doesn't make it go off. Now, if one of the girls reached up, unsnapped the retention snap, and tried to get her finger around the trigger somehow, I'd certainly be looking at the situation differently. However, NO physical contact was mentioned of ANY kind, so I fail to see the issue here. Some people, it seems, look for things to worry themselves about, in many cases (like this one) needlessly
     
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    Same here. This seems a bit odd to me.

    A holstered weapon is safe and no reason for alarm. It's not unusual for detectives to carry a pistol in a shoulder harness. Perfectly safe and perfectly acceptable.
     
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    The most dangerous part of a firearm is the human holding it, which is why I don't consider it "muzzle sweep" unless it's in someone's hand.

    If you follow the 4 rules, you should always assume that the guns in the display case are loaded. Following that logic, they are just as 'dangerous' as the safely holstered weapon in the shoulder rig - and the ones in the cases are usually at crotch level.:what:

    There's a difference between gun safety, and gun paranoia.
     
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    Despite all attempts by the media and the anti's to show otherwise, guns just don't "go off" by themselves.
     
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    I think this is the point. It's all very well to say the gun won't go off when it's (properly) holstered, but that's not necessarily the point. The worry is that the gun is not pointed in a known-safe direction when the human puts his grubby mitt on it. Guns do go off now and then when taken from a holster in an improper manner.
     
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    And again, this can happen with any holster type. As noted, many other holsters, especially the drop style, point at others when someone is seated.

    If someone is wearing a shoulder holster and constantly taking the gun in and out of the holster I'd say we have a bigger problem than the holster type yes?

    In fact, I find that when I've used a shoulder holster I touch the gun MUCH less often. At night, when removing it, I don't remove the gun I simply take the entire holster off like I would a jacket. Doing that, I'd argue that shoulder holsters are safer since there is really no need to remove the gun until you actually need to use it.
     
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    +1 Texas Rifleman, and to emphasize your earlier point.

    Guns don't just "go off".

    If your gun discharges when you remove it from the holster, it is because YOU pulled the trigger, the gun didn't decide it was time to lose some weight.
     
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    Where I worked, shoulder holsters were considered "showboating" by the officers, and were against dept. rules.

    Also, regs said "no go" for cross draw holsters, anything without a top strap, and in the waistband holsters. On duty or off.

    Gun was never to be exposed except in uniform, so none of the above Starbucks display.
     
  22. N003k

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    Rule 1: All guns are loaded.

    Plus you say they're USUALLY unloaded? Well what if one pointing right at the entrance isn't unloaded. Somehow DID end up with a round in the pipe.....

    So long as it's properly cleared when next removed because we follow rule 1, it's not a threat....because while in the case, like while it was in this guys holster, the gun wouldn't be firing.

    Seriously now, like has been said several times, gun's don't go off by themselves.
     
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    No IWB? How the heck does anyone carry concealed on that force, then?
     
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    Well-made, unmodified guns don't just go off. Some idiot cuts a few loops from the spring to get a 2 ounce trigger pull, sand the sear, shave down the safety so it flicks so smooth, and maybe the jiggling forces of walking down the street will let the gun go off. Some moron jury-rigs to try to convert it to full auto, and maybe the shifting gravity of the moon will let the gun go off.
     
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    Wow, we have pro gun guys worried about handing a loaded gun to a buddy at a range, gun advocates bickering over OC at presidential events, and now we are worried about guns safely secured in a holster. Have we all digressed to antis?
     
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