Street price of Defensive Edge SLR15

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  1. Fly320s

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    Howdy,

    Defensive Edge lists their SLR15 Grail rifle at $1995. Is that MSRP or is that the actual price at ordering? Anyone know if dealers get it at lower cost?

    Defensive Edge SLR15 Grail

    I really like the specs on this rifle, but I know that I can build a similar one for much less than $2k. But if the street price is low enough, buying it might be worth it to me.
     
  2. Bartholomew Roberts

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    As I recall, you get a free two-day training course with Sully with the purchase of any SLR-15 rifle.

    Something like a plain jane Sabre Defence midlength upper is $699. A semi-stripped Bravo Company midlength upper is $450 (and out of stock). By the time you added a PRI float tube, Troy rear site, PRI big latch, tuned up the extraction, Surefire muzzle device, a lower with trigger guard, Ergo grip, and Sully stock... you'd be close to $2k even without the free training value considered.

    Wish the Grail was a midlength and I'd probably switch one or two things on it to my own personal preference; but overall it is a nice, solid platform.
     
  3. Fly320s

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    My calculations show about a $400 difference between build and buy. You're right, that's not much, especially considering the included training, but the build-cost is based on a Rock River complete rifle. I think I could get the price lower by building it.

    Now, if the SLR15 was around $1600 retail, then there would be no hesitation about buying it.

    As for the handguards, I also like the mid-length over the rifle-length, but that is a minor issue and one that I could happily live with.

    Otherwise the rifle meets all my requirements.
     
  4. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Hmmm, here is what I came up with...

    RRA 16" flattop carbine with 1:9 chrome-lined barrel - $900
    Reprofile barrel to lightweight profile - $75
    PRI Rifle Length forearm - $320
    PRI Big Latch - $20
    PRI detachable rails - $85 (two 3", one 5", one 8.5")
    Troy folding rear sight - $140
    Surefire comp - $40
    Discrete carry case - $80
    Sully stock - $120

    Total: $1780 plus about $50 worth of spare parts that have been replaced.

    Not quite $400 difference; but it does seem to be $200-higher than comparable rifles.
     
  5. browningguy

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    Or around these parts you could get an RRA Entry Tactical lightweight barrel with all the options for around $1100-1200 complete.
     
  6. Fly320s

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    Sully has spoken.

    Direct sales only for now. Price is $1995.
     
  7. sully

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    Bartholomew Roberts,

    if you have a source for the Surefire Comp at $40 I would like to know,m please!!! Keep in mind when trying to build a similar rifle, there is more to it than you know. Keep in mind that you see what is on the outside, but there is more under the hood than meets the eye.

    We are not offering these to dealers at this time, as we are already backed up. Once we are caught up then we will consider direct for dealers on this particular model.

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    Chief Instructor
    http://www.SLR15.com
    http://www.TheDefensiveEdge.com
     
  8. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Sully, the Surefire Comp price was a total WAG on my part because I couldn't find a price for one anywhere. Since we were discussing price difference I gave the benefit of the doubt to the opposing side and used the price that was typical for a generic muzzle brake. Likewise with the discrete carry case, I estimated on the low side. The other stuff is prices I found via Google.

    If you would like to talk about what is under the hood, I'm sure we would all be interested to here it. Gas system aside, I like that design a lot and it seems well thought out.
     
  9. sully

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    Bartholomew Roberts,

    are you familar with our rifles? If so then you know the what we use for trigger components, bolt carrier assemblies, barrels, lower receiver features, trigger guards, furniture & components, etc. You will also know some of the things that we do to finish and tune our rifles.

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    http://www.TheDefensiveEdge.com
     
  10. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Sully, I only know what you have on the website for the Grail. That is what I used as the basis of my price comparison. If it wasn't listed on there as a feature, I just assumed it was the same as the RRA internals I used as a rough base price estimate.

    I've seen one SLR-15; but haven't yet seen the Grail other than on the Internet.
     
  11. Fly320s

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    Sully,

    I don't know what you have for internals or extra work on the Grail, but I'd be very happy if you told me.

    I was assuming, wrongly obviously, that your rifles were built with typical parts, such as those made by DPMS and others.

    Since your brand of rifle is new to me, I'd like to know what extra work you've done to them. I understand why a Wilson 1911 or AR15 is priced the way it is, but what about your rifles?

    Just to be clear, I'm not saying that your rifle is over-priced.

    The more I look at that Grail, the more I want one. What is the approximate delivery time from ordering?

    Thanks.
     
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  12. tommytrauma

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    I own a SLR-15, am a Defensive Edge AR armorer graduate, have handled and shot a Grail and have already given Sully a deposit for one. I won't discuss details regarding the internals of the Grail in small part because I'm not sure what is and isn't propriatary information, and in large part because I'd likely as not get some of the details wrong. I will say that building a Grail from scratch won't be accomplished with a RRA barrel and RRA internals. It also won't be done wihtout a lot of trial and error. Sully is a master gunsmith who has spent a lot of time perfecting the Grail. I know a bit about the months of work that have gone into perfecting the design, then figuring out how to consistently replicate it.

    Browningguy, my SLR replaced a RRA tactical lightweight. The SLRs same plane rear apature, detachable carry handle without the snag knobs, Sully stock, textured magwell face, beefed up extraction system nad other features made it a much better carbine for my training junkie needs. I sold my RRA to a friend, and wouldn't have done that if I didn't think it was a decent rifle. However, you get what you pay for, and the SLR is a better carbine. The Grail is better yet. Depending on what you do with your carbines, a RRA may well be good enough. For a lot of AR owners, a $500 oly arms is perfectly sufficent. I've hit the point though where a lower tier carbine would be the limiting reagent in my carbine handling and shooting, so I'm willing to spend a bit more for the extra edge offered in the higer tier rifles.

    Mr. Sullivan's business isn't mine to discuss, but there isn't anywhere near a $400 markup on the Grail. I'd also be startled to see it for sale via dealers for quite some time, as orders are already backlogged simply from shooters who have had a chance to shoot one at one of several courses where it's made an appearence. This is simply going t pick up pace for awhile, as the first few batches are already sold to training junkies who will be exposing other shooters to the Grail in class after class, garnering more orders. This rife sells itself.

    As far as 'comprable rifles' goes, I've yet to see one. When I heard about the Grail, I assumed that it was hype. I already had several ARs, including a SLR, and there was no real way that a grail could be worth the further investment. Then I shot one, ~150 rounds at targets varying from 50 meters to 350 meters. It's unlike any AR I've shot before. The balance is perfect.
     
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  13. Fly320s

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    Thank you very much, Tommytrauma.

    If the rifle is everything you say it is, and I'm sure it is, I'll order one shortly.
     
  14. tommytrauma

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    If you get to the WI area, let me know. We'll get a fun shoot together, and you can try a lot of toys, including a Grail. Dinner is on me after.
     
  15. Fly320s

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    What part?

    My brother is in Milwaukee for the summer. I might try to get out there to visit him, and if I do then we can arrange a shoot.
     
  16. tommytrauma

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    I'm in Madison, but we have members of the DE crew in the Milwaukee area and I'm only ~ 90 minutes from there. I imagine we can set up a shoot at RCLR, very near Milwaukee. Just let me know when, and we'll make it happen.
     
  17. sully

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    The Grail has some stock parts that we use on many of our other rifles, and then there are some things that are specific that we do in-house that are proprietary. The specifics recipe of what we do is what makes the Grail perform like no other rifle configuration that we have ever built or had our hands on. Our rifles start with forged lower and upper receivers that are made to our specifications with our features. All of our barrels use forged front sight bases (not cast). We use Colt/FN Contract parts. We use Wilson barrels on most of our rifles that are made to our configurations for optimum performance and harmonics. We use several parts that are our own, and we use other parts on our rifles from PRI, Vltor, Magpul, Troy, Larue, Surefire, YankeeHill, Falcon Industries, and a few others. To fully understand the performance of the SLR15 Grail one must give it a test drive. Our rifles are designed, built, test fired, zeroed, and broken in by operators who fully understand the importance of our weapon system. So hopefully that helps answer a few things.

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    Chief Instructor
    http://www.SLR15.com
    http://www.TheDefensiveEdge.com
     
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