tbob38
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I recently bought a CZ 75B in satin stainless steel. It got me wondering how this and other pistols rank regarding strength and life with +P+ ammo. I started by wondering if my CZ would be OK with Underwood 115 gr +P+ loads.
It got me wondering how this and other pistols rank regarding strength and life with +P+ ammo. I started by wondering if my CZ would be OK with Underwood 115 gr +P+ loads.
If you feel you need +P+ to handle your SD situations you don't need +P+. You really just need a bigger gun with more power. A few +P+ probably won't hurt any gun but I personally wouldn't use it. If my 9mm isn't enough I have several 357s and a 44 mag and those will out power any +P+ 9mm load. Or maybe even better if you like autos look at getting a 10mm. I have shot my buds Glock and it was a nice gun firing a powerful round.
You seem to be making some assumptions about me. I am just asking a question. I have many guns more (much more) powerful than any 9mm.
Q: “Can my CZ pistol shoot +P ammo? +P+?”
A: Just like in any pistol, +P ammunition will accelerate wear on moving parts. It’s ok to use, we just recommend using it sparingly.
The only ammos we don’t warranty are +P+ (since they have no spec to be held to) and handloads (since human error can be a factor).
Directed specifically to your question, in regards to 9mm pistols, I'd rank it above a FN P-35 and below a S&W Gen 3.It got me wondering how this and other pistols rank regarding strength and life with +P+ ammo.
best place to look would be in the owners manual of your firearm, probably it is fine, but the designers should have put it in print I would think
oh, I read +P and missed the extra + .. sounds like a recipe to crack the frame on your firearm to meThe chances of a manufacturer affirmatively endorsing +p+ are very low, because there is no spec for that. A 100k PSI round would be “+P+” and would disassemble any gun.
best place to look would be in the owners manual of your firearm, probably it is fine, but the designers should have put it in print I would think
If you look at the numbers you're not gaining a lot using +P+. 100 fps maybe.
You also have to consider velocity isn't everything. The 9" penetration stated for the 115 gr is due to the fact bullets are designed for a certain velocity range. The 115 gr bullet olnly penetrated 9" because the extra velocity caused it to expand too quickly. 9" of penetration may be enough or appropriate because you need limited penetration for your application. But if you need 10" of penetration you're screwed. The WW 115 Silvertip used in the FBI Miami shooting was condemned because it only penetrated 11".
I have seen 357 hollow point loads penetrate less in a carbine because they expanded too rapidly due to the higher velocity. Not a scientific test just an observation.
A 38 factory wad cutter will penetrate 14" or better from a 2". That meets the FBI standard.
I'm not a fan of +P or +P+. I will use 38 +P in a K frame or larger or 38 +P+ in a 357. None of it in a semiauto.
You also have to accept the increased recoil and muzzle flash from +P or +P+.
If you want more velocity you should get a 357 SIG.
Hmmm. In my reading I have found that other federal agencies do not necessarily follow FBI's lead. Border Patrol for example. I do have .357 Sig pistols which I shoot fairly often, thanks.
I find it almost amusing how the bar has shifted since HWFE was written. How the "up to 18" is preferred" and 12" minimum Urey Patrick stated has morphed into "just get over 12".I'm not talking caliber and gun when I refer to the FBI standard. I'm talking about a minimum of 12-14" and a maximum of 18" penetration in gel.