There is something that no one has seemed to realize here folks. Being an avid archery hunter has taught me one thing for sure. A heart hit deer will NOT leave a blood trail worth a damn until the chest cavity fills up to the entrance and exit holes. This is the main reason I always go for a lung shot with a bow. Now, if Lloyd hit that deer where he believes, that would have been a heart shot. If the bullet performed as I think it did, it didn't expand because it didn't hit enough bone to mushroom it. 2 little .25cal holes are not going to leave a blood trail from gravitational drips and it would leave little to no sign whatsoever at the shot site because it didn't expand. To further explain this point, simple biology is needed here. You hit the heart, and there is no blood pressure to "pump" a blood trail out. You hit the lungs or artery, the heart creates a "spray" for a trail. This is a good example of too tough of a bullet for the game in question. You want to always use a bullet that will penetrate well and cause maximum damage on the way through no matter if you hit shoulder bone or not. I am a firm believer in "if it aint broke, don't fix it". Standard cup and core bullets have been dropping deer for many many years now and the bullet manufacturers keep trying to re-invent the damn wheel. The hippies are crying "lead poisoning" and they are so full of crap it's damn near funny. I can see it as being a SLIGHT problem in water foul hunting because very few pellets hit the target and the rest go wherever, and of course you have a lot of them that are hit but not killed that go off to suffer death from lead poisoning MAYBE, but to try to take lead out of all ammo is friggin stupid to put it mildly.