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Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by 357smallbore, May 18, 2019.

  1. JTQ

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    The point is not disabling the firing pin block, the point is a slide cocked striker has enough energy to fire a round without pulling the trigger.

    The firing pin safety on an unmodified Glock is a very robust device. If I were to choose a gun to throw against the wall, and not have it fire, a Glock would be near, if not at the top, of the list.
     
  2. FL-NC

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    Strikers here, except for 1911. I don't like DA or decockers, and I want the same trigger whether its my first shot or the next 14 that follow it. No decockers in my life.
     
  3. Trunk Monkey

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    1. Have you ever failed to disengage the safety?

    2. Have you ever had to do it in the real world?
     
  4. JR24

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    1. No
    2. No, only in practice or competition. Oh, and once hunting with my 10mm.

    Speaking of hunting, I do plenty of wingshooting and the only time I've failed to pop a safety on a flushing grouse or pheasant was when using a borrowed shotgun with a safety in an odd position. Give me my trusty 870 or 887 and instinct does what it needs to despite having less than seconds to react to a flushing grouse (in particular)
     
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  5. JTQ

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    I don't know why operating a thumb safety wouldn't also be considered "a critical skill that has to be practiced every time you handle the weapon"?

    Nearly all 1911 shooters spend more time with their thumb on the thumb safety than they do with their finger on the trigger. Thumb on the safety is part of gripping the gun.

    I suspect nearly every 1911 shooter on this forum will tell you they sweep the non-existent thumb safety off every time they shoot Glocks.
     
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  6. GunnyUSMC

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    That’s that auto correct feature on my IPad. But the words are spelled correctly.:neener:
     
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  7. Trunk Monkey

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    Cherry picking our response a little?
     
  8. JTQ

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    OK?
     
  9. GunnyUSMC

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    Isn’t it funny how a simple topic like, Who prefers striker fired over hammer fired guns, and why? Will start an argument.
    Why do some feel the need to turn a simple topic into unpleasant BS?
    The topic is not about which is best, just which one you like better.
    It really doesn’t matter to me which one you prefer, but it’s interesting to hear why someone will chose one over the other.
    My friend’s dad is in his late 60’s and loves the Browning Hi-Power, but doesn’t carry one. Up until last year he carried a Sig with a DA/SA action. He now carries a M&P 2.0. When I asked him what got him to switch over to a Striker Fire gun. He said he likes the M&P and had it for almost a year before he felt comfortable enough to care it. He gave on other reason for making the switch.
     
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  10. il_10

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    I suppose I'm decidedly in the hammer fired camp; out of the ~30 handguns in the crowd only one is striker fired and that's a '39 Luger so probably outside of the scope of this discussion. My only plastic fantastic (KT p32) is DAO hammer, and my colt 1903's are not 'hammerless' as advertised.

    I'm not opposed to striker fired handguns in the least, but I prefer external safeties, have my carry bases covered, and mostly pick up weird or classic designs when I'm browsing the gun stores. I don't trust the sear setups in the baby brownings or colt .25s so I haven't yet bought one. I'll likely cave at some point since they're in my wheelhouse of classic weird cool.
     
  11. JTQ

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    You've identified a limitation, and developed a workaround. Good choice.

    Congratulations on surviving such harrowing experiences. I hope to never be in that position.

    Good feedback. Perhaps somebody that routinely shoots a gun with a thumb safety would have a similar experience with their thumb.

    Ayoob has studied the firearm safety issue. In his research, more have been saved by a manual safety than have been harmed. Just a data point though. Every situation is unique.

    I suspect nearly everybody administratively handles loaded firearms more than they actually shoot them. I don't see how one couldn't.

    I don't disagree. Everybody has to weigh which panic carries greater weight, pulling a trigger before you are positive of what you're shooting, or a delay in disengaging the safety.

    You've identified a software error and corrected the issue with hardware. A worthwhile workaround.

    All good. Everybody gets to make their own choices.
     
  12. sigarms228

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    I think it might be feelings of insecurity. Most seem to be confident in their decisions but are open to listening what others have to say that choose different and be civil about it and understand that different people have different priorities, experiences, and circumstances. Others however seem to take when someone chooses differently as a personal challenge of their decision and knowledge which makes them feel uncomfortable and they react accordingly often resulting in heated arguments.
     
  13. tarosean

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    Probably because its a non sequitur to begin with..
    There are metal and poly fired strikers there are metal and poly fired hammers. Plus there are guns that have hidden hammers in Metal and Poly. So without being more specific we are left to our own devices.

    Does "striker" mean a M1907/1910 etc. or a Glock/M&P etc.? That is my issue.

     
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    Would it be any different if the question was, Which do you like better, cats or, dogs, and why?
    But I do like dogs more and a Border Collie would make the top of my list. :)

    Now I like both Hammer Fire and Striker Fire pistols. But then there are some of both that I don’t care for. A few of the ones I don’t care for have been been mentioned in this topic as guns that some members like. It really doesn’t matter if I don’t like some of those guns, because this topic is not about the guns I don’t like.
    But like I said, there are some people that have to turn every topic into an argument. I’m not sure if they believe that they will change the way someone thinks or if they just like drama. But it does get old.
    I enjoy guns and talking about them, where’s the fun in arguing about them.
     
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  15. herrwalther

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    Not sure how this has drifted into safety vs non safety on firearms, but sure. Lets go down this rabbit hole.

    M4/M16, M9, M249, M240 are all weapons used by the US military. The other common feature they have is all of them have a safety. But yet, the only firearm that seems to get criticism for "not being fast enough" is the M9. And the new M17 gets the same safety wrap. The military trains to pop off a safety quickly without a second thought. And trains just as extensively to put it back on. One of the worst "smokings" I ever got in the beginning was for leaving my weapon off safe at the firing range during qualification. That sure was a fun 4 hours. Never made that mistake again though. On my deployment I almost got in just as much hot water for carrying my M9 in DA with the safety off. Not because I was worried about flicking the safety off in the heat of the moment, but for redundancy. I don't see the purpose of carrying a chambered firearm in DA with the safety on. With a good holster and in DA, a thumb safety does little to make a weapon "safer." The added rationale I used for my chain of command was I was one of the few soldiers required to carry a loaded and chambered firearm everywhere I went. Even to the shower. Eventually my commander came around and authorized me to carry with the safety off in DA.

    Safety or not, it boils down to practice. Practice shooting, holstering, and moving.
     
  16. JDR

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    Since almost 70% of U.S law enforcement and now all of the U.S. military have transitioned to striker-fired service pistols, I don’t see what the argument is for civilians to not carry striker fired pistols. It’s common sense & logic to train & practice with whatever you choose to shoot and carry to maintain safe proficiency with the firearm. A 1911 is a firearms enthusiast’s choice to own & carry, well a lot of military and law enforcement are not firearms enthusiasts, it’s not part of the job description. The 1911 and the M9 were both phased out of military use for reasons that enthusiasts don’t accept, but which are well documented, even if you don’t like it. I know plenty of cops who don’t necessarily like what they are forced by regulation to carry. But they qualify with them with no problems and accept that they have to carry Glocks. I know most of them have better things to worry about, such as staying safe on the streets. And I don’t know any cops who quit the force when they were requited to carry Glocks, although a lot of old-timers carped like crazy about it. And a lot of combat veterans don’t pick up a firearm or shoot another round after they leave the service, it happens all the time.
     
  17. Patocazador

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    I am old and "grew up" on hammer-fired guns. I am used to them and I like them. I despise plastic guns even though I have a few for CC. My car gun is a hammer gun and I love it.
    IMO plastic/striker guns are for CC only.
     
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  18. GunnyUSMC

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    But you left the question unanswered. Which do you like better and why?:)
     
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    Hammer. Period. Just my own opinion.
     
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    All your lifes decisions are based on government bureaucracy?
     
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  21. ATLDave

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    With a sensibly-designed/located safety and a suitable technique, there's nothing to "remember" to do.

    It's like asking whether you've ever failed to disengage the dingus at the center of the Glock trigger. There's exactly the same amount of conscious thought required.
     
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  22. JDR

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    Depends on what I want to use it for. I own a lot more hammer-fired than striker fired but I shoot & carry strikers more than hammer-fired

    What law enforcement and the military decides to buy or not buy affects the firearms marketplace. If Beretta isn’t selling the M9 to the military anymore, so they have to sell their cheaper to produce APX in the civilian marketplace to try & make up for the lost sales revenue on the military side of their customer base. You might not be able to buy the metal-framed hammer fired Berettas much longer. As an example look at what happened to the Browning Hi-Power when the British Ministry of Defense replaced their aged BHPs with the Glock 17, they had been buying Hi-Powers for almost 50 years. You may not like the SIG M17 / M19 as much as the Beretta M9 but from the standpoint of procurement for Federal Acquisition Requirements (FAR) and Defense Federal Acquisition Requirements (DFAR) requirements, the need to replace the M9 has been well documented, the requirement was competitively solicited & evaluated, the orders have been audited and the Army negotiated fair & reasonable prices for a commercial off the shelf commodity, which was the only true modular design for a service pistol.!Although we as enthusiasts can’t appreciate that the Army bought pistols the same way they buy refrigerators, that’s essentially what they did anyway.
     
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    Beretta just announced a new, steel framed variant of the 92.
     
  24. MedWheeler

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    JDR writes:

    There is no argument for "civilians to not carry striker-fired pistols." Also, what the LE and military communities do isn't necessarily an argument for civilians to follow suit. In fact, this is directly related to my current signature line (I'll box-quote it here for posterity, since I may well change it later.)

    But, I do agree with this one line:

     
  25. bluejeans

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    I have both hammer an striker guns..
    I like hammer fired for the qualities of better trigger, option to manually recock, and it’s just more satisfying to me. However I do carry a striker gun equally as often... mostly when my daily outings prompt me to wear iwb as the striker variety tend to have smoother profiles, thus more comfortable and less snagging as well as eliminating a critical entry point for foreign debris
     
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