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Student dies after firing prop gun

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by hexidismal, Nov 16, 2008.

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  1. hexidismal

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    Source: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=666880

    Interesting article, in that they don't explain in what way the prop gun had to do with his death exactly. Considering the "head injury" , one has to assume he put the blank gun to his own head and pulled the trigger ?
     
  2. gbran

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    I'd never heard them called "pop guns". I also suspect the gun was fired at close to skin contact distance.
     
  3. scythefwd

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    I saw a neat little demo in Tombstone, AZ where they fired a blank into a gallon jug of water at point blank range. The jug pretty much exploded.
     
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    He probably didn't understand the danger associated with it. He sees movies, and knows that they use blanks; he assumes that blanks can't harm people and screws around, resulting in his death.
     
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    "Prop" not "pop".

    i.e. the gun was a prop in a play.
     
  6. gbran

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    There was a story on THR several months ago about a fella who fired his new S&W 460 mag with one hand forward to steady the gun, when the escaping gasses of the cylinder gap cut off his thumb.
     
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    Yup, prop, not pop.......... must be gettin tired.
     
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    Something similar happened to that guy in THE CROW didnt it?
     
  9. Z71

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    Been a couple of actors commit accidental suicide or got otherwise killed with blanks.

    Thats too bad. Hard to say how such an issue could have been prevented, however manditory gun safty training in school might be a start. Lots of kids out there getting their gun knowledge off of the television. But even that might not prevent such stupidity.

    Seems callous I suppose, but maybe the kids error saved someone else.
     
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    Ok, just to show you how times have changed, when I was in High School we celebrated "Western Day" each year. On that day, everyone was encouraged to dress in their western finery and allowed to carry the (UNLOADED) firearm of their choice; revolver, shotgun, lever gun, you get the picture. Toward the end of the day, everyone met in the courtyard for a staged gunfight. Everything went well the first year, however, in my junior year, TWO guys were shot. One took a .41 in the chest from close range from a supposedly unloaded 44 pistol while in the cafeteria for lunch and the other was shot in the neck with a blank during the "mock" gunfight. I had no experience with blanks up to that point and had no idea how dangerous they could be, neither, it seems did any of the school administrators. Needless to say, my Senior year there were no guns allowed on Western Day. True...I swear.
     
  11. Z71

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    We used to bring guns to school, then go hunting after school, sometimes the teachers would go along too.

    Yes, times have changed.
     
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    That just sounded like a recipe for disaster before I got to the end. Kids are ignorant, they need to be taught. Too bad certain factions think the "guns are bad" approach works. Education, not fear is what is needed. I'm surprised they were allowed to have blank firing guns in the play. Or even wooden gun shaped props...
     
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    What Western movie actor did similar...? I seem to remember that one died in a similar event years back.
     
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    Jon-Erik Hexum shot himself in the head (Point-blank, right temple) with a .44 Magnum loaded with blanks on the set of the TV show Cover-up in 1984 iirc.

    Brain death resulted from the wad blowing a section of his skull deep into his brain.

    Typical last words "Hey, let's see if I've got one in here for me!" or something like that. Just an idiot screwing around with a gun. Tragic, really.

    Brandon Lee died during filming of The Crow when a prop gun was loaded with ammunition that was supposed to look real (no powder, no primer) however one round somehow had a live primer in it which propelled a bullet into the barrel (squib). It was not noticed after the shot. Later, the same gun was loaded with charged blanks (no projectiles) for a massive shootout scene. The powder load from the blank propelled the squib bullet out of the barrel with enough force to kill Brandon Lee.
     
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    Why have them there at all?? Why didn't the police volunteer to help with that kind of thing? "Hey, since there are going to be guns in school, even "prop" guns, we want to be there to make sure things are done properly, safely and correctly."

    Virtually all the kids in that school are tainted now and more likely to believe "guns just go off and kill people" kind of malarky.
     
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    hunter safety course demo

    When I took my hunter safety course we saw what could happen with blanks.

    Before the course started, everyone was sitting around talking. Without saying anything, the instructor put an empty soda can on the front table, and shot it point blank with a blank .22 round out of a very small revolver (maybe an naa??).

    His point was well made. Even a small blank round, out of a small revolver, can still be very dangerous. It sure made an impression on us 12 year olds.
     
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    Remington sold (or still sells) a tool that uses different charged .22 cal. blanks to send nails into various masonry/concrete products. Anything that can blast a nail several inches into concrete can blow a chunk of bone into a brain, I'd imagine. That or severe trauma resulting in death.
     
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    Yep, another kid who thought it would be funny to put a blank gun to his head and "shoot" himself.

    It's incredible how many people do this.
     
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    Guess he won’t be doing that again….

    Basic gun safety – treat EVERY gun as though it were loaded -
     
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    You mean because he's dead?

    This happened about, oh, 1 mile from where I live I just realized.
     
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    Yes, I don’t mean to come off as cold to this incident, but it just sickens me to see this, poor parenting. :fire: Nothing more - he should’ve been taught early on to respect guns and treat them properly, paintball guns, bb guns, airsoft guns- all, and you see it far too often where a child has killed them self or another by misuse. And it seems to me that parents don’t teach their children about firearm safety and then say golly geez I can’t believe this happened! Let’s blame the guns, those damn inanimate objects!
     
  22. Sean Dempsey

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    Well, seeing as how the family is one of my neighbors, I'll ask them what their gun education was. The town is abuzz wondering what happened, and this is about as PRO GUN as a small Utah city can get. I'll keep this thread updated if I hear anything on the ground here.
     
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    I'd also suspect a lack of common sense training. Wouldn't you test it out on something else (door, desk, chair, book bag, soda, etc.) before putting it to one's head? Particularly at that age...:scrutiny:
     
  24. Carlos Cabeza

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    Tragic, but kids are known to do things that needlessly endanger their lives, sometimes ending in death. Speaking from experience, I am fortunate to have made it through my teenage years. Accidents happen from time to time and no one knows when or where they will occur.

    My condolences for this young man and his family...................
     
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    leaving untrained youths with access to even blank ammo bad bad idea :(
    not sure you need blanks for a stage show a cap gun would be just as good.
    knew a movie armorer who worked on various things including band of brothers.
    The extras were mostly ex or serving military or committed reenactors so could be trusted once he'd checked them out.
    but the real actors keeping them alive full time job heads in front of barrels if a special effect did'nt go off immediately wandering over to have a look etc etc etc:uhoh: the 4 rules went in one ear and out the other.
     
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