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Student/Family Violated Over Facebook Mention of "Gun"

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Hurricane, Mar 8, 2012.

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  1. Hurricane

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    A boy that doesn't even own a gun was investigated and many students didn't turn up to school when a girl was overheard making an offhand comment "He's the type that would bring a gun to school" to someone else. The rumor spread like wildfire in school and on facebook with many students and parents condemning the boy, and also his parents for not raising him better.

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...he-internet-and-school-violence-fears-collide

    I can understand there being some definite concern with the safety and well-being of students given the recent shooting, but I cannot believe the knee-jerk reaction and almost "Salem Witch Trial"-esque episode that ensued. I don't know. Just the comments alone after the story made me want to hurl.

    It concerns me even more that a gun didn't even exist. It was all word of mouth.
     
  2. wannabeagunsmith

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    Wow. Just wow.
     
  3. MachIVshooter

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    It least there's this:

    Hopefully they're able to determine the primary players and send that message.

    Very few of us had truly it easy in high school, but I can't imagine this kind of torment.
     
  4. mortablunt

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    I've always had the sense to avoid Facebook as much as possible and not mouth off on it while I'm there. Facebook is pretty much public.

    Now, thanks to somebody, for whatever reason, running their mouth off, I did get hauled in by my school's security people in October due to accusations that I am gun obsessed, want to join the British Army, learning how to hunt people, and going to places where I am not supposed to be.

    I do not know who made the call, but here's some clarification:

    Gun obsessed= Defended gun rights in class discussion and gave an honest opinion if anyone brought up the topic with me.

    Wanted to join the British Army= You are not misreading that; they really did say that i want to join the British Army. My father is English and my mother is American. Therefore, I have a tendency to flip accents which can throw people off and annoy them. Therefore, I decided to stick with the English one.

    Learning to hunt= execising at the end of the day by doing laps around the school perimeter road.

    Places I am not supposed to be= Other sections of the residence hall I was living in.
     
  5. larry_minn

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    What if this kid (or his parents) had firearms? Would the Police have taken them? Hauled the kid off in handcuffs? Is the "lesson" to learn "If you don't have any guns when they accuse you of THINKING of doing something you won't get arrested"
     
  6. whalerman

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    Doesn't surprise me a bit. This is where we are right now. Imagine where we will be in four years. People have to get involved and respond to ignorance and emotional bs. The latest circus act going on up here (NY) is bullying. One local school that graduates 14, yes 14 in their senior class, just got a state grant of $600,000 to fight bullying. Money in the wind.
     
  7. Kingofthehill

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    I lost a good job because on a public online forum like this I mentioned I got a new job. I screwed up and mentioned the company's name. Someone on the forum suggested I celebrate the new job by getting the new range officer at the time. I go a call a fe days later telling me my name flagged their ackground search online with the word gun in use with the company name.

    Talk about frustrating. Guess you can't be a target shooter and work for them
     
  8. Dmitri Popov

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    This is what happens when people think out of fear instead of reason.
    But frankly, anymore, thats just SOP.
     
  9. Hardtarget

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    Its really funny how things are different one place and another. My cousin works at a place where the company upper management recieves firearms and ammo shipments weekly!One has a FFL and one has C&R so you never know what is going to show up! He said its funny to see the "show and tell" after a delivery. :D

    Mark
     
  10. Dmitri Popov

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    ^^^
    Thats how my old work was, most days it was basically a mini gun show, lol.
    It was a small town hardware store, not only did employs trade back and forth, customers would bring in guns and knives all the time. It was actually really nice, lol.
     
  11. blarby

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    I think thats probably the only question really worth THR discussion.

    I would like to know, honestly.

    Given that it was later ( post-search) discovered to be completely false... That would further complicate an seizure that would have occurred.

    One of our handy legal high-roaders might have some input there.

    Maybe this thread would be better for legal ?
     
  12. Sav .250

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    A sign of the times!
     
  13. Double Naught Spy

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    What, you mean like what happened to the kid and his family because of paranoid rumormongering that we should be discussing the worst case scenario of what would have happened had they owned guns?

    Man, we really do have some double standards. Ever notice how folks and even gun folks get bent out of shape before something like a school or mass shooting because there were people who suspected it would occur, maybe some that had even expressed that the shooter was unable, and even some who had been told by the shooter of his plans, but we criticize those people for not doing anything to stop the shooter before the shooting? All those warning signs and nobody did anything to stop the shootings before it happened because they either didn't recognize the warning signs or failed to act on them.

    So here we have a case of there being warning signs, but we are bent out of shape because the police did their job and went and talked to the family, asked for and were granted permission for a search.


    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=20061&highlight=school+warning+sign
    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=625558&page=2&highlight=loughner
    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=47238&highlight=columbine+warning+signs


    Why does this concern you? You think that just because a person doesn't own a gun that they can't become mass shooters? You do realize that it is not uncommon for school (and some other) shooters to have stolen the guns used in the shooting or otherwise obtained them illegally, don't you?
    For example from just a couple of weeks ago...
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/teen-appears-court-ohio-school-shooting-15814225
    Others...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heath_High_School_shooting
    http://www.khou.com/home/Ross-Elementary-shooting-involved-Stolen-Gun-121540264.html
    http://www.publicschoolreview.com/school_ov/school_id/19425

    Well, I guess the police other officials are darned if they do and darned if they don't. They get criticized when the system breaks down and rumors of pending shootings exist, but nobody acts on them and a bunch of people get hurt. So when rumors come about as in this case and the school officials and police looked into the matter, we are critical of them for having the audacity to do so. Not only that, we have folks like larry and blarby posting above who want to try to make this some civil rights issue as if the police would defacto arrest the student if the parents had guns on the home.
     
  14. MachIVshooter

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    I don't see people jumping on the police here. They did their job, and they saw through the BS.

    The issue is that there were none of these "warning signs" you speak of; The kid never made the threat in the first place. He and his family are suffering unjustly because a stupid little girl and a bunch of other gossip queens have vivid imaginations, big mouths and a total disregard for others.

    It's not like a couple of concerned people went to the school administrator; This rumor exploded on a social networking site to where it included hundreds of people before anyone in a position to do anything even became aware.

    What the perpetrators of this rumor did is illegal, and is actionable both criminally and civilly. The principles could find themselves owing thousands in a civil case of defamation. And I hope they do. It seems that many people don't understand that untrue and derogatory things written on facebook or other social sites constitute libel.


    Something missing here. It would be prejudicial (illegal) for a company to fire a person for engaging in perfectly legal activities on his own time, unless that activity directly affects the person's performance at work (heavy drinking, for example) or directly negatively affects the company's reputation. I don't see how this qualifies. The only exception is your signature on a legal document that says you will not egage in this or that. Did you sign such a thing?

    In some states (like mine), it is employment at will, and a company can fire a person for no reason at all. But they cannot fire someone for the wrong reason, or they risk being sued.
     
  15. Sky

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    There will always be opportunities for misdiagnosis/understanding in a 'see something, say something world'. Feel sorry for all involved.
     
  16. InkEd

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    (sigh) People genuinely wonder why I don't fool around with any of that Facebook, MySpace (is that still around?) or similar social(ist) networking sites?

    I have REAL friends in the REAL world. I just don't understand the appeal of putting all your personal business on the Internet. Topic-related forums (like THR) make since because it's a group of enthusiasts discussing a hobby. Blogging about every aspect of your life seems a little overly self-involved to me. I just don't get it.
     
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    I thank the Big Guy upstairs that I am blessed enough to send my boys to a private Christian school and away from the political-correctness-gone-amok public school system. What happen to that kid and his family was utterly insane.
     
  18. wannabeagunsmith

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    That is what I was thinking too.
     
  19. Certaindeaf

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    Sounds like a case of bullying. Hopefully the lad has the wisdom and support to know it for the pathetic weakness that it is.
     
  20. Nushif

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    Well, if some political powerword is your main reason I would wonder, too.
     
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    Right to work states (which are becoming the norm) have no such requirements. Aside from a few federal protected items which one cannot discriminate on (namely race, creed, gender, or handicap), in a right to work state an employer can choose to employ, not employ, hire, or fire anyone at any time for any reason they see fit (or no reason at all).
     
  22. Carl N. Brown

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    deedle deedle, deedle deedle, baba bop dum
    Tonight's episode of Twilight Zone, "The Monsters are due on Maple Street"
    "...the episode is often presented commercial-free as part of the Cable in the Classroom series in order to teach children about the dangers of prejudice and hysteria."--Wikipedia

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monsters_Are_Due_on_Maple_Street
     
  23. Certaindeaf

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    "Violated"

    I think that's for the courts to decide.
     
  24. jeepnik

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    Any word used to describe a firearm in school is now being taken the way saying "hijack" in an airport is taken. Innocent use of words act as triggers. As you know, it's illegal to talk about "hijacking" anything in an airport these days (sorta like yelling fire in a theater). I figure it won't be long before any talk of firearms is outlawed in schools.

    Of course I don't know how they would teach US History without mentioning firearms. But with the way the PC police have "revised" history to fit their views, I figure they'll just skip the major wars (they already skip things like Korea) and heaven forbid they discuss the westward expansion.
     
  25. Afelt.tech

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    That makes me sad for him. I had a similar childhood, and a somewhat similar experience. He should move back here to Michigan.
     
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