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stupid rumor of the day (.223 ammo)?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by xsquidgator, Apr 23, 2007.

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  1. xsquidgator

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    I went over to Gander Mountain this afternoon to buy some supplies, and while I was getting my stuff started talking about reloading and guns with one of the gun area employees. It wouldn't have been polite to argue with him, but what he told rumor-wise just sounded really off. Just on the off chance that there's even a 1% chance of there being something to it, I thought I'd repeat it here and have everyone explain to me and reassure me why this can't happen.

    We were talking about reloading, and this guy working at the store says "well, you'd better buy up a bunch of brass .223 and get set up for reloading, because 'they' are getting rid of it or changing it so that only the government can buy it, after a little while only the military and police are going to have .223". He claims that he was told internal to the company that this is coming down the pike.

    Now, for starters I figure maybe he's confusing Gander Mountain discontinuing sales of .223 with what he said above. (and since GM sells all kinds of AR15s I have trouble seeing that) Secondly, I can't see how something like this could happen unless some sort of horrific new gun and ammo bans got passed. I don't think the government can just wave a wand and make the sale of .223 ammo illegal. And I can't see the government buying ALL of it up either, I know .223's gotten expensive but there will always be a sporting and commercial demand for it, it can't just all dry up.

    Can it? Can it? Please explain to me why I'm stupid for worrying about this for more than 5 seconds. I'm pessimistic enough to start planning now just in case it does happen...
     
  2. doubleg

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    Reminds me of the time a Gander Mountain employee told me that "You better buy as much .45 ACP as you can now, because next months the Senate is passing a bill to raise the price to 25 for a box, minimum!" :rolleyes:
     
  3. ArmedBear

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    .223 is and has always been a civilian varmint round.
     
  4. JWarren

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    I suppose technically they could try. It would never happen, in my opinion. I can't see them pulling off banning a specific caliber like 5.56. I know they've pulled off .50 caliber bans and such, but they have painted that very different than they could pull off with a varmit caliber.

    I wouldn't worry about it. Regarding that employee, I can't decide if my response would have been an amused smirk and silence, or to tell him "yep, and flying monkies are about to shoot out of my butt." It's a toss-up.


    John
     
  5. Rembrandt

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    Oh Poop.....I just bought another AR yesterday, and now it's going to be obsolete? For all you guys who are in the same boat, I'll take those obsolete .223's off your hands for 50 cents on the dollar.

    Gander Mountain employees are not known for being the brightest lightbulbs on the tree. Rank right up there with the Walmart gun experts.
     
  6. Titan6

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    Well given that they tried to ban .30-30 I wouldn't be surprised. Trying and succeeding are two different things of course... :p
     
  7. Winter Borne

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    The following rant is just my oppinion...

    Not that I would think it would ever pass the current political landscape, but I for one, a former resident of the socialist peoples republic of New York, could believe that in the near future if the dems control all three: Pres, house & senate, that a ban on private sales of all military rifle calibres could come to a vote and even possibly pass, for the common good...

    I know, I know and can hear you already saying, "NO WAY, that would mean the .308 and 9mm too... there's just no way it could ever happen..." well I for one think you nay sayers should ask a Cook County resident what they think of the new sweeping govt. gun bans there.

    Not to be an alarmest here, but the only reason these new "common sense gun laws" come to pass is control. They do nothing to prevent crime, or lesson actual threats and this is provable, but it makes no difference to the law makers becouse they're not passing them to fight crime... it's about controlling the way you live and conforming us to their standards becouse after all, They feel they know better than you do on how to run your life. I lived through it in NY as I am sure many of you in anti states have too. The only thing IMO that's stopping them at the moment is fear of the '08 election, but mark my word, if they win additional seats in both the house and senate, as well as the White House, they will call it a, " new mandate to enforce sweeping changs."



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  8. Dave Markowitz

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    The BS that you hear in gun shops never ceases to amaze.
     
  9. hksw

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    Oh crap that is funny.
     
  10. JLelli

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    Just a few weeks ago, a clerk at Cabela's claimed that ammo prices were going up 300% this year. It seems like gun store employees are trained to say these things to drum up ammo sales.
     
  11. Cesiumsponge

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    Not to mention .223 Remington is SAAMI spec loaded stuff, which is different than true military contract M193 or M855 5.56mm NATO spec ammo. Buy Wolf and Sellier & Bellot before the M16's get them!

    Sometimes I don't get the point of gunshop rumors. They're their own worst enemies when they say stuff like that.
     
  12. repo

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    I'll just wait for them to start making .224 uppers and ammo then, like when they banned .50 in california.
     
  13. NM234

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    There were just some dems on TV whining about how the party as a whole isn't pushing for any new gun control.... and these were insiders. Also there were some of the democrats on TV speaking against gun control. One democrat from Texas said "gun control is I'll control mine and you control yours." Its important to remember that alot of the newly elected democrats are from red states or battleground states where people take their 2a rights seriously.

    As a democrat I hope the party is smartening up.... not only am I against gun control but they will never win the pres. or maintain their power if they push it. There are alot of folks in places like New Mexico and Arizona (both close states) who will vote for dems, but only if they don't touch 2a rights.
     
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    also one question, I'm assuming this isn't true. A friend of mine that hunts told me that sometimes .22 and other low calibers cause more damage than high calibers because instead of blowing right through they bounce around inside? I've heard this to be true to some extent with weapons with alot of velocity but I'm calling BS on this one for the most part unless some other board members correct me.
     
  15. Neo-Luddite

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    No, It'll be .222 rem mini-14's ala Mexico (no military cals, I understand).

    Buy ammo though catalog sales. GM is (mostly) for window shopping in my book.
     
  16. NM234

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    I meant that high velocity, full metal jackets may travel all the way through w/o transfering all their energy to be the possibly true part.
     
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    Might be good for us if they try it. Most everybody I know around here owns a .223 rifle for varmints. Most aren't active in the fight to preserve our 2A. Might serve as a wake-up call to a lot of hunters.
     
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    Hyper-velocity small bores can 'overpenetrate' and, yes, when the moon is just right and the stars lines up--little .22's and .32's and such can bounce about and do more actual tissue damage than a more powerful round might have having followed the exact same trajectory into the body and exiting without imparting all of its energy. Physics is wonderful like that-- very predictable and yet--still that area for 'English' and the pool hustlers will attest to this.

    This is just a once-in-a-blue-moon thing. Now, the 'tumbling' of the 5.56 is a different idea and one that--does have some merit and physics behind it. That said, and I own a 5.56 rifle, it will NEVER out do a .30/06, .308, 7.62 x 54, 8mm etc. for performance. If anyone wanted to ban a 'lethal' military bullet in the U.S. they would ban .30/06 Springfield or 7.62 NATO. Either of those (and many others) will tear things up with gusto.

    So, yeh, I call BS and sell-more-ammo, too
     
  19. alucard0822

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    Funny, the last time I was at GM they were telling me that lead use in bullets were going to be banned. But then again the same guy told me that in a couple years m193 would be $10 a box, and 9mm would cost as much as 45 did then (about 2 years ago):uhoh:
     
  20. Cesiumsponge

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    Its all down to probability. A .22 can get deflected by a rib or spine and change trajectory to enter the heart in an otherwise less-lethal wound. You can fire 10,000 rounds and not have that happen once.

    Higher energy rounds, when they properly stop as designed, will almost always do more damage than a .22LR because they have so much more energy to transfer.

    Its those few exceptions where .22's managed to deflect off a bone (or several) and do more damage than it's original trajectory that people seem fixated on, but the exception doesn't discount the rule.
     
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    My original 2007 Winchester price list only shows 223/5.56 avaolible for government purchase this year. Maybe this is what he is talking about.
     
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    My local Gander Mountain actually has little signs up in front of the .223 ammo stating that Winchester (and I believe Remington) will not be producing any more .223 this year for commercial use (Gov gets the rest). Maybe that's what he means...
     
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    As of mid February Winchester was considering one production run of 3130 for the civilian market. When they told the distributors what the price was going to be, my distributor would not order any.
     
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    Why would the government buy .223? They use 5.56.... .223 and 5.56 are not the same. 5.56 is essentially a .223 +P+

    .223 is really considered a sport and varmint round. So unless the government has a varmint problem - I high doubt the validity of this guy's claims.
     
  25. hotpig

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    The brass does not matter. Machinery time is the issue.
     
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