doc2rn
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I would get a poster of the constitution and highlight the second ammendment for her as a study aid
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I'm just going to ignore this person when she is over studying with my wife and spend time with an infinitely brighter person, my 4 year old daughter.
If she persists to bring up the topic I will challenge her gently, but nothing too over the top since I don't want to put my wife in an uncomfortable position or jeopardize her grades.
If she persists to bring up the topic I will challenge her gently, but nothing too over the top since I don't want to put my wife in an uncomfortable position or jeopardize her grades.
VinnAY
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Carrying openly is a good idea, I'd do that plus have an AR or something scary looking on the table being cleaned. A few hundred rounds laying about, some magazines, give her the WORKS.
rbernie
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I fail to see how being deliberately antagonistic is going to be productive and helpful to our cause. I certainly do not see how it represents The High Road.
Either ignore the comment or engage politely.
Either ignore the comment or engage politely.
Ron Go
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A poor legal defence could also cause the death of a client.
I wouldn't let her offhand ignorant comment bother you.
If she raises it again (highly doubt it) then you could have a better discussion.
I wouldn't let her offhand ignorant comment bother you.
If she raises it again (highly doubt it) then you could have a better discussion.
Jonah71
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Yes....what he said.
sub-moa
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9mm, are you clairvoyant or what? Naming your thread appropriately in advance specifically to cover replies such as >>>>> "Quibbling and quarreling with people over political peccadilloes is petty behavior, at best. When the wife's study partner comes over, smile and be nice, leave them alone. This way, you score points with everyone. The other way, you're a gigantic ... the word starts with 'd' and rhymes with 'whoosh.'"
Let me get this straight...A stranger invited to your home is informed, in a passing sociable manner, of your personal subject of interest, a subject any common fool with an IQ above room temperature realizes is not without strong feelings. This stranger is so smug and arrogant as to feel completely free to make a flippant, ignorant, insulting remark regarding your personal subject of interest. Your lovely bride is fully aware, and obviously would have known in advance, you would feel insulted by such as remark, especially in your own home...by a stranger no less.
Now if you, God forbid, express any level of displeasure or even attempt to educate this, uhmmm...stranger, you'll be the one exhibiting "petty behavior, at best" over such an insignificant and trifling matter as being insulted in your own home by a stranger. Better to suffer insulting remarks in meek silence, "smile and be nice" so you can "score points with everyone" and avoid becoming a larger than life female personal irrigation device ?
I bet you're appreciative of such helpful adult suggestions
Let me get this straight...A stranger invited to your home is informed, in a passing sociable manner, of your personal subject of interest, a subject any common fool with an IQ above room temperature realizes is not without strong feelings. This stranger is so smug and arrogant as to feel completely free to make a flippant, ignorant, insulting remark regarding your personal subject of interest. Your lovely bride is fully aware, and obviously would have known in advance, you would feel insulted by such as remark, especially in your own home...by a stranger no less.
Now if you, God forbid, express any level of displeasure or even attempt to educate this, uhmmm...stranger, you'll be the one exhibiting "petty behavior, at best" over such an insignificant and trifling matter as being insulted in your own home by a stranger. Better to suffer insulting remarks in meek silence, "smile and be nice" so you can "score points with everyone" and avoid becoming a larger than life female personal irrigation device ?
I bet you're appreciative of such helpful adult suggestions
Ragnar Danneskjold
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sub-moa, do you think it is a good idea to risk his wife's grade to win an argument? Do you think he would be a good husband if he did this? Do you really think his wife should risk losing her study partner, or falling behind on assignments and test just so he can win some mind-battle with a stranger?
Sav .250
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Win the battle ......lose the war. Your call.
easyg
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You should tell her to get her facts straight...
Actually it's the bullets that strike the body, which damage and destroy organs, tissue, vessels, and bone, coupled with the inevitable blood loss and shock, that really kills people.
The gun doesn't even touch the target.
sub-moa
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I don't know Ragnar..."do you think it is a good idea to risk his wife's grade to win an argument? Do you think he would be a good husband if he did this? Do you really think his wife should risk losing her study partner, or falling behind on assignments and test just so he can win some mind-battle with a stranger?"
Sound familiar?..."I'm not saying don't try to win her over..."
At no point did I suggest beating this stranger with a cleaning rod. Judging by 9mms OP in identifying her as a "lady" I doubt he's inclined to do so either.
At what point does one just quiver in fear of offending a stranger who flippantly insults you in your own home. Why not make an effort to "try to win her over" as you suggested earlier?
My post was directed at the suggestion that taking any course other than meekly sitting there makes one an @&%#$...
Perhaps my post was more nuanced than I'm normally capable of
Sound familiar?..."I'm not saying don't try to win her over..."
At no point did I suggest beating this stranger with a cleaning rod. Judging by 9mms OP in identifying her as a "lady" I doubt he's inclined to do so either.
At what point does one just quiver in fear of offending a stranger who flippantly insults you in your own home. Why not make an effort to "try to win her over" as you suggested earlier?
My post was directed at the suggestion that taking any course other than meekly sitting there makes one an @&%#$...
Perhaps my post was more nuanced than I'm normally capable of
Beaux Nehr
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Such a great response.
If you present this argument in the right way, it could even be effective.
Ragnar Danneskjold
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Who's quivering in fear? A good husband is one who takes stock of what matters. Physical reality>philosophical argument every single time. If there's a chance someone's real grade will suffer or real school work will not get done, or be of less quality, you absolutely shut your mouth over philosophical arguments. When it comes to real things affecting real people and having real consequences, you "bite the bullet" (no pun intended) and ignore the flippant insults. No verbal victory is worth real negative consequences on his wife's work.
Well how about the fact that his wife pleaded him not to start something? Or are you the type who feels the husband should just ignore his wife wishes so he can fulfill some "man of the house" fantasy?
ForumSurfer
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Law school may change her point of view.
I dated a young woman once a long time ago that was working her way through law school. She had the noblest of intentions. She wanted to help people, particularly children. She want to work defending delinquent kids and try to help make a difference. Let's just say we were somewhat opposites, but we meshed well for whatever reason. She was very anti-gun and quite liberal.
Well she went to work with delinquent kids in a court system for the next county over. She spent the next year coming home from work every day crying. She dealt with kids that had horrible records from an early age and did very despicable deeds in some cases. The turning point for her was a 10 year old kid who tried to follow her to her car and attack her...after she had helped him with some school related matters. The kid had been charged at school with aggravated assault and battery as well as forcible sexual crimes. She managed to get into her car and lock the door and drive off, calling the police. Unfortunately, walking across the parking lot in a menacing manner while staring at someone is not a crime so she naturally felt very vulnerable.
We didn't work out as a couple, but by the time we had split up...she had shifted focus and wanted to become a prosecuting attorney. Her dream was to become a DA at that point. Her anti-gun sentiment had changed and she obtained her concealed handgun permit. She also carried my 1911 commander religiously after she learned to shoot. She put over 1000 rounds down range within a week, very determined to become proficient, familiar and accurate. After we split, I helped her buy a weapon of her own because some of those kids were pretty bad and they had been known to stalk, threaten or attack case workers or volunteers from time to time.
Just give your wife's friend the benefit of the doubt. Talk to her with respect and compassion. We don't win anyone over by harsh confrontations. Anti-gun people rarely change their opinon. They typically won't listen to your logic, so don't waste your breath unless she asks your opinon. When she does, state your case politely and respectfully without presenting confrontation (in a THR manner). Sooner or later if she's ready, she'll come around.
I dated a young woman once a long time ago that was working her way through law school. She had the noblest of intentions. She wanted to help people, particularly children. She want to work defending delinquent kids and try to help make a difference. Let's just say we were somewhat opposites, but we meshed well for whatever reason. She was very anti-gun and quite liberal.
Well she went to work with delinquent kids in a court system for the next county over. She spent the next year coming home from work every day crying. She dealt with kids that had horrible records from an early age and did very despicable deeds in some cases. The turning point for her was a 10 year old kid who tried to follow her to her car and attack her...after she had helped him with some school related matters. The kid had been charged at school with aggravated assault and battery as well as forcible sexual crimes. She managed to get into her car and lock the door and drive off, calling the police. Unfortunately, walking across the parking lot in a menacing manner while staring at someone is not a crime so she naturally felt very vulnerable.
We didn't work out as a couple, but by the time we had split up...she had shifted focus and wanted to become a prosecuting attorney. Her dream was to become a DA at that point. Her anti-gun sentiment had changed and she obtained her concealed handgun permit. She also carried my 1911 commander religiously after she learned to shoot. She put over 1000 rounds down range within a week, very determined to become proficient, familiar and accurate. After we split, I helped her buy a weapon of her own because some of those kids were pretty bad and they had been known to stalk, threaten or attack case workers or volunteers from time to time.
Just give your wife's friend the benefit of the doubt. Talk to her with respect and compassion. We don't win anyone over by harsh confrontations. Anti-gun people rarely change their opinon. They typically won't listen to your logic, so don't waste your breath unless she asks your opinon. When she does, state your case politely and respectfully without presenting confrontation (in a THR manner). Sooner or later if she's ready, she'll come around.
An article on someone who protected a loved one or themselves with the force of arms might be interjected at an appropriate moment in a written forum. " Honey have you seen this"?
The "don't approach the subject" works. Hard to get a door knob to be anything but a door knob without a bunch of rework time. Prolly not worth your time but a good accomplishment if you succeed.
The "don't approach the subject" works. Hard to get a door knob to be anything but a door knob without a bunch of rework time. Prolly not worth your time but a good accomplishment if you succeed.
ZCORR Jay
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I would most likely leave this one alone. Just imagine if you make the lady mad which in turn could result in making your wife mad. I once herd a older man say "A happy wife means a happy life"
sub-moa
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Ragnar:
You know, I chose not to respond in kind regarding your accusatory little interrogation directed at my first post, instead I jokingly referring to imaginary nuances in the post that might have escaped you. My neutral response was to quote your questions to me as well as your previously posted "I'm not saying don't try to win her over..." opinion found in your initial advice to the OP to highlight the direct contradiction.
Based upon your latest, apparently you've now changed your mind regarding attempts to "win her over", and instead prefer the; OMG don't say anything route when you opine "you absolutely shut your mouth" for fear of taking the slightest chance that a study partner mighty possibly be offended over an opinion that differs from her opinion, volunteered originally via insulting comment.
Then, you add my quote of your previously expressed opinion...it's acceptable to "try to win her over"...in an apparent attempt to tie that in with the wife's not wanting the OP to "start something"
? You realize you wrote that "try to win her over" comment yourself...knowing the wife had requested he not "start something" right from the original post . Rhetorical question 1) Your point? Rhetorical question 2) Are you arguing with yourself? I'll remind you, nowhere have I suggested deliberately instigating an argument with this "lady". Finally you sink to plain old insults; “Or are you the type who feels the husband should just ignore his wife wishes so he can fulfill some "man of the house" fantasy?” I’ll leave this little bit of wisdom with the suggestion you might want to avoid projecting your personal insecurities on others .
There are but 3 possibilities; you missed your Reading is Fundamental class, you're off your meds or you just want to argue. Well sport, I’m not inclined to assist you in any of those endeavors. Fortunately I’d imagine there’s a convenient Ignore Option somewhere here, feel free to use it, I am.
You know, I chose not to respond in kind regarding your accusatory little interrogation directed at my first post, instead I jokingly referring to imaginary nuances in the post that might have escaped you. My neutral response was to quote your questions to me as well as your previously posted "I'm not saying don't try to win her over..." opinion found in your initial advice to the OP to highlight the direct contradiction.
Based upon your latest, apparently you've now changed your mind regarding attempts to "win her over", and instead prefer the; OMG don't say anything route when you opine "you absolutely shut your mouth" for fear of taking the slightest chance that a study partner mighty possibly be offended over an opinion that differs from her opinion, volunteered originally via insulting comment.
Then, you add my quote of your previously expressed opinion...it's acceptable to "try to win her over"...in an apparent attempt to tie that in with the wife's not wanting the OP to "start something"
? You realize you wrote that "try to win her over" comment yourself...knowing the wife had requested he not "start something" right from the original post . Rhetorical question 1) Your point? Rhetorical question 2) Are you arguing with yourself? I'll remind you, nowhere have I suggested deliberately instigating an argument with this "lady". Finally you sink to plain old insults; “Or are you the type who feels the husband should just ignore his wife wishes so he can fulfill some "man of the house" fantasy?” I’ll leave this little bit of wisdom with the suggestion you might want to avoid projecting your personal insecurities on others .There are but 3 possibilities; you missed your Reading is Fundamental class, you're off your meds or you just want to argue. Well sport, I’m not inclined to assist you in any of those endeavors. Fortunately I’d imagine there’s a convenient Ignore Option somewhere here, feel free to use it, I am
.Ragnar Danneskjold
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Well since you have me on ignore, you probably won't read this. But since you brought up Reading is Fundamental, I said "I'm not saying not to try to win her over". That is not the same as "Win her over." Frankly I'm just not one to tell people what to do. If the OP feels like fighting that battle, I (as some random guy on the interwebs) have no place telling him what to do. I did suggest that stressing the real-life things, like grades and homework, is probably a much better thing than worrying about trying to fight an RKBA battle with a stranger your wife specifically asked you not to do so with. I'm still not sure where you're getting the "fear" thing from. Sometimes thinking about your wife's needs first and letting the little things slide isn't "fear". It's just being laid-back.
writerinmo
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I wouldn't advance the subject, but neither would I retreat from it. If she makes a comment on any of my "pro-gun' statements or apparral or my open carry, then everyone would admit that she opened the conversation. But I hate to say it, but any argument with an un-informed person is likely to degenerate quickly especially if you can present hard cold facts in regards to the misconception of 'gun control' saving lives.
I would leave her alone, perhaps show her the back of my head as I nod my head and say "yep... guns are dangerous... but there wouldn't be much point in carryin one if they weren't now would there?"
I would leave her alone, perhaps show her the back of my head as I nod my head and say "yep... guns are dangerous... but there wouldn't be much point in carryin one if they weren't now would there?"
RimfireChris
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My wife has a friend, not an anti mind you, but we pretty much hate each other. Just don't say anything, nothing's gonna change, and you'll do your blood pressure a world of good. While I agree, that's very rude behavior of a guest, it doesn't seem like there's much to be accomplished by making an issue of it.
Shadow 7D
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At least you wife isn't going to be a nurse, then I would suggest you get a man cave and not come out.
I would talk to her about victimology, and why knowing and working with scumbags isn't the safest occupation.
I would talk to her about victimology, and why knowing and working with scumbags isn't the safest occupation.
Average Joe
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Man, you could hit her with a million lawyer jokes, see how she likes that !
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