Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by filby, Oct 3, 2021.
I am not saying anyone should buy from online or local. I would say they should look both places, figure in any shipping costs & then make a decision about which deal is best for them. Shipping costs & transfer fees aren't hidden. Sales tax is collected either way. It isn't that difficult to figure out the true costs.
I understand what you are saying, and in a “normal” case of an average price handgun and times it would sometimes be a good way to go. But with a budget of $250, you are eating a lot of that budget up will fees and taxes. And telling OP to save more, not be poor, or search other places that will cost you more I don’t see as being…….smart or even possible.
With OP’s budget, private sales is the best way to get the most out of his meager budget.
I agree with you, anyone buying a firearm online needs to be aware of FFL transfer fee, shipping, and taxes. That being said new folks buying guns should also be aware of selling prices so they don't get screwed over buying from a dealer or face to face in private sale. Except for the Star BM, any good gun shop should be able to match most of the prices I listed on commonly available new / newer low $ guns.
I look on Armslist frequently and see private sellers jacking up their selling prices of commonly available cheap guns. Basically it's face to face "no paperwork" tax on the stupid / uninformed.
Private sales are a great way to go if you can find someone that has what you want. Sometimes if acquaintances learn you are looking for something they will offer something they have or someone will just out of the blue mention they have something they wish to sell. If seeking a private sale I would browse local forums. Of course once you buy the pistol you still need to round up ammunition, holster, etc. That is one good thing about a private sale is someone might throw in a holster. It can be hard to find them though.
It is still good to know the online prices even if going to a private sale. If nothing else it gives a point of reference for prices.
And Vance’s Outdoors has a sale on the EC9S, around $229! Well with in the OP’s price range, even with taxes.
I personally would carry an EC9S if they left off the safety.
Thinking I may go for a better brand. 300-400 maybe. Will look at a few recommended models in store...
This is very true. You may see a gun you want at an LGS for $300.00, You need to add background check and tax. Buy on line for $25.00 less and it will cost you more for shipping, Transfer Fee, Tax, and background check in the end. Besides, you see what your buying not a picture on your screen.
If it's going to take a year and a half to save 500 bucks or more for the gun, that'll be a year and a half you go without protection. Hi Points are too big for CC for most people, so you'll have to spend more than that. If you buy a gun used you can pay a lower price, as many others have said.
The first incarnation of the gun that gave Taurus a reputation for low price and acceptable reliability for defense was the PT 111 G2. Before that gun, I don't think Taurus offered a model of concealed carry semi-auto pistol that was UNIVERSALLY accepted by the shooting public as a gun that was generally reliable enough for self defense. There were some good big pistols - like their version of the 1911 or the Beretta 92 - but not much in concealed carry, even though they offered a wide range of small pistols. Their reputation was hit or miss before the PT 111 G2. I bought a new PT 111 G2 for like $229 back when they were available, and was impressed enough that I bought a used example for $179, too. Both guns have been 100% reliable for me. Taurus followed up with the G2c and the G3c (I believe) and they seem to have a similarly good reputation, but I've never owned either of those models so I can't speak first hand.
Neither is the quality of my Kimber Micro 9, but if you buy the Taurus used you can sell it when you have enough cash for a Kimber or Sig, and not lose too much money. Keltecs can be made to work reliably, but in my experience, they aren't guns that can handle high round counts. Maybe a used S&W 442 revolver could be acquired inexpensively. Probably other models out there too. Best wishes.
He also owns a Taurus 66 revolver purchased in 1993 iirc as well as a 99 purchased around the same time. Both completely reliable and both quality firearms. I wish I had had the foresight to do the same back then, he simply couldn’t convince me that some Brazilian manufacturer could make good firearms at their asking price.
Kahr makes some small 9mm pistols that might be affordable used. I got the 40 caliber version used for next to nothing (maybe a little over $200 OTD) because no one was bidding on it.
Whatever the new Ruger is... EC9 or something like that... is probably pretty good. I've heard good things about them, and I own the its ancestor, the LCP9s pro, which is a nice pistol. The Rugers are affordable and are probably available used.
The small Kel-Tec 9mm's have a reputation for reliability, ugliness, and stiff triggers. I got the larger one... maybe held 11 rounds? It was literally "dirt cheap" because it was filthy and no one would bid on it. I got it for less than $200 OTD and it went bang every time. I finally traded it towards something else (not losing a penny, because it was all cleaned up) with a better trigger (as per Jim NE above).
If it doesn't have to be a semiauto, Taurus and Charter Arms both make, in my experience, mostly decent reliable revolvers that are available inexpensively used and will get the job done until better times come around. (As per Skylerbone above, I have owned Model 66's and Model 85's and a Model 99 since the late 1980's and they have all served me well.)
Kahr Model PM40 by Tallball posted Jun 8, 2019 at 1:52 PM
Ruger LC9s Pro by Tallball posted Sep 5, 2019 at 8:13 PM
And the answer is....A lot I just can't afford 15-20 Secret Service agents following me around 24/7
JMHO no need to apologize for the truth
SSCY No safety required, it works like a DAO revolver (trigger pull included). It's just a bottom feeder instead of a good old wheel gun. OPS didn't mean to start the auto v. revolver debate.
I’m not personally into the “sub compact” craze - my limit is in the G19 size category- but that Taurus shoots friggin bug holes for a gun that size.
Honestly, exactly what I have. A S&W 9mm Shield I got used but in perfect condition for $270. Great gun, 100% reliable. See if you can find a used one also.
Easy to find under $300. CT laser available.
Personally I don’t want a manual safety on my EDC. If I pull the trigger it should go bang.
Most of the above are garbage, and down right dangerous.. save up for a better gun..
Right, something I've considered with online sales too is the opportunity cost of the effort. Assuming both one of my LGS' and an online source have the same handgun I want, the online source has to be cheaper enough (including shipping and transfer fees) that the opportunity cost of effort and time to get it all shipped and taken care of is worth it. If it's $50+ cheaper after all fees, maybe. Less than that? No. I have other time costs from work to family, rest, etc. A $30 cheaper handgun online is not worth my time if I can just get it from the range I always go to with less effort.
It goes both ways. Sometimes people will say that Bass Pro or a similar store has $16 9mm right now. Yes, and I pick it up when I happen to be there. However, Bass Pro and such shops are about 40 minutes away from me. Again, the difference between big box prices and online sales has to be worth it for me to make a 1.5 hour round trip. It is not worth it for $2.00 cheaper unless one is buying a lot.
Pure Bovine Excrement.
Nah, used original shields are going up to $300. I just saw a used .45 shield 1.0 for like $325 or something.
However, I bought my 9mm shield used for $270 and it was worth every dime. That was during covid, so it was a good price for the times. I think if someone can find a used Shield and needs a budget quality 9mm, that's a great choice. Mine is sitting on my nightstand as we speak.
Obviously the level of firearm purchase referenced in your descent. I owned a CPX 1 SCCY was back at Daytona more than I shot it, name one police or military branch that utilizes any of the above? For what it’s worth a buddy of mine has a Taurus I think 686? He’s banged about 50k rounds thru it, not bad, but that’s not what is being discussed in this thread....
Could you say that in English? My gibberish is kinda rusty.
Hasty Generalization fallacy.
Means nothing. There are plenty of top tier manufacturers who don't have juicy military or law enforcement contracts either.
Oh, so I guess Tauri aren't all "garbage."
(How y'all like that Latinate plural?)
No one is pretending that Taurus, KelTec and SCCY have the same fit, finish and attention to detail as some of the higher end brand, but that hardly makes them either "garbage" or "dangerous."
On the other hand, S&W and Colt (among others) have produced some real turds as well.
Separate names with a comma.