Subcutaneous RFID in hands....

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If it ever got to the point where you had to have one of these things in you, I would definatley have to get it removed and put into a ring or something that I could take when i needed it. I don't really think I need anyone who can hack into a system knowing where I was and how much I spent or whatnot.
 
Wiley said:
If one gets one voluntarily, that's ok by me.
By government mandate, NO!
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You mean like "voluntarily" disclosing your social security number to get a bank account and all kinds of other things that allow you the same prospects and operating freedoms as those that do in pursuit of life liberty and property... uh .. I mean happiness?

That kind of "voluntarily"? ...........

"No sir, I did not say you can not have an account with us; only that our institution requires this with our new program for safe and secure banking .. You know, like all the other banks and financial institutions are starting to use these days ....."

[silence]

"Sir ... would you like to open an account with us"?
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I like the idea of a tattoo, inside left forearm is a good place. For those who have a moral problem with tattoos, why not notch the ear or ears in a binary pattern.
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How about ear tags - like ranchers put on the cattle and sheep they own?
I'm sure "The Government" would see the benefits of marking us all, like livestock it owns. "The Government" is already working on doing this to soldiers.
 
progunner1957 said:
How about ear tags - like ranchers put on the cattle and sheep they own?
I'm sure "The Government" would see the benefits of marking us all, like livestock it owns. "The Government" is already working on doing this to soldiers.
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Huh? Dude, welcome to the concept of dog tags. Nasty things happen on battlefields, and it's really nice for your family to have _something_ to bury, or for the guys back at the hospital to be able to ID their patient so they can pull up the records...

Lemme guess - George Bush started the program?
 
As with most things, it's not the RFID technology that's the problem - it's the government that's the problem.

As for the Mark of the Beast I think Neurobiology will find that area of the brain that allows for belief in God. I have heard some already talking about the human brain being hard-wired for belief in God. They will decide at sometime in the future that religious belief is a disease and will need to wipe it out to save human kind.
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Any chance, while they're in there, that they could find the part of the brain that predisposes one towards unthinking obedience to the state? :D

- Chris
 
Chris Rhines said:
As with most things, it's not the RFID technology that's the problem - it's the government that's the problem.

Any chance, while they're in there, that they could find the part of the brain that predisposes one towards unthinking obedience to the state? :D

- Chris
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Or corporate interests. As a button I have says, "Since when did unthinking obedience to corporate interests become patriotic?"
 
I just saw on C-span 2 yesterday one of the thinkers of my thoughts above. I can't remember his name but the book is titled "The End of Religion". This is the second time I saw him on c-span. He is a neurobiologist and has the ideas I spoke of above. He is a activist athiest and really does want to do away with all religious beliefs. What was amazing to me was he was serious and the audience was too. They snickered and laughted and applauded this monster of a man. He ideas were really frightening. He is not the only "intellectual" I have heard voice these opinions just the one who has a book out now. And he thinks neurobiology will help end the scourge of mankind of religion.
 
They will sell it by making it neat and trendy. Even now, bars in Europe require an RFID implant if you want to be a member of the trendy and elite VIP section.
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I thought this was more bogons produced by the information supercollider, until I found this. :uhoh:
Implanted ID chip finds way into ERs, bars
By Alorie Gilbert, CNET News.com
Published on ZDNet News: January 21, 2005, 3:10 PM PT

Since U.S. regulators approved them for medical use last year, implantable identification devices from VeriChip have turned up in some interesting places.

Harvard Medical School's chief information officer, Dr. John Halamka, had himself injected with a VeriChip identification microchip in December, the company announced on Friday.

The rice grain-sized chips, designed to be injected into the arm's fatty tissue, can be scanned like a bar code to call up personal information such as name, blood type and medical records.

The devices can also be linked to financial information such as credit card numbers and buying habits, which is why a nightclub in Glasgow, Scotland, recently began offering to implant its patrons with the chips. The club, called Bar Soba, said the chips let customers leave their wallets at home and count on their favorite drink being ready as soon as they walk through the door and get scanned.

VeriChip is a subsidiary of a Palm Beach, Fla., company called Applied Digital, which also makes implantable chips for tracking livestock and identifying lost pets. All are based on technology called radio frequency identification, or RFID.

The technology is commonly used in quick-pay toll systems and building access cards. It's also being used by Wal-Mart and other major retailers to monitor inventory and deter theft.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration cleared VeriChip for medical use in October. The company is targeting patients suffering from Alzheimer's disease, diabetes, cardiovascular disease and other conditions requiring complex treatment.

Harvard's Halamka, a practicing emergency room physician, said the chips may also be useful for speeding care in emergency situations in which patients are often unconscious or nonresponsive. The technology could also help prevent errors in treating and administering medication to patients, he said.

"I'm not endorsing the product, yes or no," Halamka said. "I'm evaluating the product. So far there've been no problems."

Halamka said he has no financial relationship with VeriChip or its parent company.

Others who've had the devices implanted include Mexico's attorney general and some of his staff. A nightclub in Spain beat the one in Scotland; it's been offering chip implants since last April. At last count, in July, VeriChip had sold about 7,000 of the devices; about 1,000 of those have been inserted in humans, the company reported.

The practice has drawn criticism, however. Privacy advocates worry the technology would make it easier for the government to spy on its citizens and for marketers to identify customers and bombard them with sale pitches. Others object at a gut level, equating human RFID chips with the "mark of the beast," a demonic symbol described in the Bible.
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- NF
 
One advantage of the RFID chip, Graafstra said, is that it cannot get lost or stolen. And the chip can always be removed from a person's body.
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I have a Benchmade 806D2 and the will, should this loon allow a simple demonstration, to show just how easy the latter would make the former.:evil:
 
They're going to have fun finding mine. It will be transplanted to a coyote somewhere in Montana.
 
Google National Animal Identification System...

...and you'll find they're already in the middle of requiring it for all livestock and poultry in the US. They're also requiring anyone who raises, transports, or sells livestock or poultry (exotic or regular) to register their premises. By 2009, it will be mandatory for all. TRULY the mark of the beast(s)!

And as for those atheists with the neurobiology things, Jesus did say, "Many will be hated for my name's sake."

I'm not taking a chip.
 
I think this is a very good example of "giving up essential liberty for temporary security". It's great it's so convenient. I have no interest in anyone knowing where I am or where I went and this little GPS chip is going to do just that. I have no interest in giving up my privacy for some convenience.
 
Hmm i'd better buy stock in an aluminum foil company. There seems to be more of a market than i previously suspected.
 
Kodiaz said:
I think this is a very good example of "giving up essential liberty for temporary security". It's great it's so convenient. I have no interest in anyone knowing where I am or where I went and this little GPS chip is going to do just that. I have no interest in giving up my privacy for some convenience.
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I'm afraid it's too late for that. Your privacy is already gone. It started in the early 80s and accelerated through Reagan, Bush, Clinton and now Bush. The tricky part will be getting it back. And least of all from the government. The "Business Community" has a view of your privacy and rights that is infinitely less expansive than all the TLAs of JBTs. If they can make money off your data, damn it, your privacy is getting in the way of bu$ine$$!

See, they (Wall Street, K-Street and Capitol Hill) are giving up your liberty and privacy for their convenience. Sounds like an excellent deal to me. As long as you're not one of the little people.
 
Manedwolf said:
And I think it's quite telling that if you look at any sensitive government facility, things are not just left to automatic biometrics readers. There is a guard, with a phone, a gun, a pair of human eyes, and a human brain, which, if trained, is still the best security device there is.
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The entrance to the control rooms for the GPS system is just a big bank vault looking door with a retinal scanner next to it. :D :D
 
Just so many cattle wandering about...

See, they (Wall Street, K-Street and Capitol Hill) are giving up your liberty and privacy for their convenience. Sounds like an excellent deal to me. As long as you're not one of the little people.
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As far as "They" are concerned, people - all of 'em, not just Americans - are a mammal life form slightly higher up the ladder than cattle.

Like cattle, "They" look at people as an expendable commodity to be bought, sold, controlled, manipulated and exterminated or allowed to live to suit "Their" purposes.

If you doubt this, take a look at the way the giant global corporations treat their "employees" or the way governments "manage" their citizens.
 
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