Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by TX1911fan, Aug 10, 2009.
And the possibility of double or worse charges of powder
150 GR. NOS BT Trail Boss 3.250" OAL 13.3gr 1061 fps 14,700 PSI (24" barrel)
People who blow up guns with light loads of pistol powder double charge them, or worse.
Your neighbor is still going to hear when you shoot their cat; I would invest in a Gamo Whisper & go for a behind the ear shot.
It was more than a little surreal, watching him chamber those big cartridges and then hearing "whack," instead of "BOOOOM."
Yeah, it's possible, if you're careful to follow an established load.
Click just under "30-06 Springfield" on the left of the page.
I load 150 grain cast bullets I make just a bit supersonic, but have no doubt subsonic would be a breeze... And they are DAMN accurate too.
Bottom line: Cast bullets of a soft(ish) alloy, like air-cooled pure clip-on wheelweight alloy, over a small charge of fast-burning pistol/shotgun powder are safe provided your barrel isn't five feet long. In a similar cartridge I load about 7 grains of red dot under a 160gr cast bullet. I haven't chronographed it, but I'm sure it's subsonic, and I've fired a couple hundred of these without incident from a mosin 91/30. Possible? Yes. Safe? Provided you know what you're doing. For the new reloader? Probably not, but I was doing it within 6 months of making my first reloads.
Now I just need to find some cast lead .308 size bullets and load up a couple test rounds with Win231 (recipe in one of the links)
You're welcome, glad I could help. Don't forget the range report...
I'd be REAL careful loading FMJ for any *subsonic* load. In fact, I wouldn't do it at all. It's just too damn easy to stick one in the barrel and not notice it. The follow up shot will ruin your day, your gun, and maybe your life. Not worth it.
Yeah, I know. But with a thread title referencing subsonic loads, I didn't want anyone to get confused about loading jacketed in those kinds of rounds.
If they do, I'm sure not seeing any in my 2009 Hodgdon manual anyway.
The Hodgdon Youth & reduced loads using Nosler BT's are light loads all right.
But they are certainly not sub-sonic.
Jacketed bullets are just not suitable for sub-sonic loads due to the very real risk of getting a bullet stuck in the bore at much under 1,100 FPS.
BTW: Just went to the Hodgdon website and I do see the Trailboss load. Very surprising to say the least.
Odd that they deleted it from the new 2009 manual.
Nosler ballistic tip bullets are jacketed.
seems to me that this may be the way to go for quite practice (cheap too) with your bolt '06 useing lead slugs. I suppose a 'suppressor' of sorts could be made from plastic bottles to fit onto muzzle to quite it down even more for cat shooting.
Hodgdon Site and check for yourself. It's the only Trail Boss load for the 30-06 on their site. (their site is current too)
1330 1329 1324 1317 1333 AVG 1326 ES 16 SD6
I fully understand the dynamics involved between cast and jacket bullets as it relates to velocity delivered, just the same I am surprised (confounded?) at the velocity Hodgdon reports with the data in this thread... Would have thought the velocity and pressure numbers would be much more.
I even saw a .223 rem load with a 55gr FMJ and 4 gr of TB for 1074 FPS. There must be a dozen rifle cartridges with TB and jacketed bullets. So do you start at the upper end and work down
Thanks for sharing this ArchAngelCD
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