Suggestions for an Ar-15

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Clyde Armory in Bogart/Athens Georgia has used Colt LE 6920s on the rack for $920.00
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if a fella was educated just enough to check these rifles out (it wouldnt take much education, throat erosion, muzzle wear, bore condition, and a set of headspace gauges) this is one of the best deals ive ever heard for a colt.

lol, its not much different that the price i paid for one almost 20 years ago, (899)

thats definitly worth looking into.
 
i have to question the credibility of the chart, and have since i first saw it.

the first (and thus as a result only) category i ever checked out in the chart in more than a sample size of 1 rifle, turned out to be false.

im not going to expend effort into verifying anything else on it, ive seen enough.
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Great attitude. Rob has constantly updated the chart to reflect changes manufacturers have made. Compare his EXPLANATION OF FEATURES to Bartholomew Roberts' thread 34 Ways to Cut Corners on Manufacturing an AR15 stickied in the THR Rifle Forum Reading Library _ Useful Links. Rob has always maintained that he wants the chart to be as accurate as possible, has provided contact info, and encourages anyone to contact him when something needs a correction or update. Manufacturers will always make changes to meet consumer demand, cut costs, add value, or simply assemble guns when one supplier is out of a part and they have to get it from another. Therefore, the chart will never be 100% accurate. However, you can contact Rob (THR user name Rob_S if you like the PM feature here) and help make it as accurate as possible. Alternately, you can act like a child, and whine about inaccuracy in the chart while doing nothing about it.
 
However, you can contact Rob (THR user name Rob_S if you like the PM feature here) and help make it as accurate as possible. Alternately, you can act like a child, and whine about inaccuracy in the chart while doing nothing about it.
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my apologies.

i will try to keep my childish whining in check.

bryan.
 
The Chart is generally correct, at least for the exact model it is going off of.
 
my apologies.

i will try to keep my childish whining in check.

bryan.
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My comment was tongue in cheek. You're one of the more AR knowledgeable folks on this forum. The Chart can be a helpful tool for folks who are new to AR-15s, particularly if they pay more attention to the explanation of features than to the charts themselves. Rob's explanation features on the Google doc has similar content to B. Roberts' 34 ways to cut corners thread, but is presented in a different way. The charts simply provide a quick, and generally accurate reference to who's building rifles with better parts & assembly methods.

You even said:
when i first got into the ar rifles, i didnt ask anyone which kind were best. i knew what that revealed. not what is best, but what everyone has (see above). which honestly is fine, theres nothing wrong with that, but is that really what your after?
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The chart (in it's 4 page entirety) is just a starting point to learn what's better, not what everyone else has. It's not the only refernce, but it's a pretty good one, and it's undeniably popular. I'm just saying that someone with your knowledge of AR type rifles could help improve the chart, because it's obviously not going anywhere. Another thought is to take Rob's idea and make your own version with an emphasis on plinker ARs, and what features are a waste of money for that application; or make a version on target AR rifles, and which features are preferred for that application in comparison/contrast to defensive AR carbines.

I personally work at a medium-large FFL here in GA. When I have a few minutes I make it a point to go over the AR type rifles we have in and see how accurate the chart is on features I can evaluate (obviously I cant look at a barrel and tell what steel it's made from, but I can look at a receiver extension nut and see whether or not it's staked on, etc).
 
My comment was tongue in cheek. You're one of the more AR knowledgeable folks on this forum.
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lol, its ok, i do it all the time, it didnt bother me.

what i did take to heart was the compliment though. i know you know your way around a rifle so that did mean something.

also, your idea about a chart for target shooters/high power competitors would be awesome. i am certainly not the guy to do it, but it would be useful for folks.

(if there was one, and i had used it, i might could crack the top three in my own ar match, lol.)
 
I agree that a chart for other types of ARs would not be a bad idea. What many people forget is that the Chart is made for people looking for a weapon as close to Military specs as possible. Some of the features listed are a non issue to a lot of shooters, while others are important to everyone.
 
I'm going to bump this one.

A few days ago, while shooting a friend's Stag,
I became interested in AR's (second time).
And that's significant given my sig line.

Starting to research them, I found this thread.
The "chart" does seem helpful, even if I don't know
what all those criteria mean yet.

Maybe somebody should start an AR primer thread.

Nem
 
if you want a colt get an OLD one.

just my opinion but the new colts are far overrated...their quality has greatly fallen off in recent years.

someone will soon be along to bash me....:neener:
 
I'd recommend building one up with a Tactical Innovations reciever (T15BDX or T15 Forged) and a GG&G upper reciever. Makes one great AR!!!!
 
Well I am going to get a Rock River Arms upper because they seem to be of high quality and fit my budget, it may not be Colt quality but apparently the DEA bought rifles from RRA so I figure they have to be decent.
 
what replaces a NEW colt? I would take a DPMS, a Bushmaster, or Smith or Charles Daily without a second thought before a comparable colt at even a lower price. the quality is lacking.
 
If price is not a concern, Noveske or Colt.

If you're budget minded and still want a good rifle, then CMMG.


I can't recommend Bushmaster because they burned me pretty good on some warranty work for a warped index pin caused by an over tighten barrel nut when it was first built.

I had them fix it under warranty and it came back with the barrel nut so screwed up that I might not be able to take it off without a pipe wrench. So I've decided that I'm going to replace the upper with a flat top, replace the front sight post/gas block with a low profile one from GG&G or YHM, free float the barrel, and drop some glass on it (Marine Corps version of the ACOG).

Besides, it gives me an excuse to buy another AR while I'm rebuilding this one :)



Kris
 
Harrydawg said:
I'm looking into buying an Ar-15 what would be the best manufacturer?? im not worried about price
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Then buy a gas piston POF .... I'm not exactly objective since I have a couple of them, but I like them for their accuracy, reliability, simplicity and ease of maintenance.

http://www.pof-usa.com/p415/p415.htm

:)
 
Well I am going to get a Rock River Arms upper because they seem to be of high quality and fit my budget, it may not be Colt quality but apparently the DEA bought rifles from RRA so I figure they have to be decent.
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That Entry tactical you buy at your Local gun store is not the same as the guns the DEA purchased. And keep in mind that RRA got a very small part of that contract. Care to guess who got most of it?
 
Care to guess who got most of it?
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Uh, Colt?

By the way, Azizza, I absolutely love your signature line! Is that from "Code of Hero"? My all time favorite episode in the entire series! I thought his lines were some of the absolute coolest in the show.
 
Hammer, did you make a mistake?

Oh Boy Howdy!! :D

No, you didn't make a mistake - they use decent parts from what I've seen in one example owned by a range buddie.

Much of the 'staking' type of failings can be quickly and easily rectified by someone who has a good punch and a hammer. As I used to tell mail carriers awed by my ability to make their errant jeep restart with my ballpeen hammer, "It's not just hitting, it's knowing where and how hard to hit". (float bowls)

No mention of Fulton Armory in the chart? Is this a personality issue? From what I see in my two Fulton rifles Clint McKee puts together a fine and strictly milspec product that are uniformly both accurate and reliable. I mean - when I wanted to change to a folding front sight I wasn't able to budge the pins put in by Fulton with my 20 ton press, much less a hammer and punch. It was so frustrating to try to disassemble the rifle that I bought another lower and an upper from another source just so I could make me an "optics ready" carbine. Have I missed something or do I share in Hammer's mistaken buying escapades?:rolleyes:
 
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Hammer it depends on your intended purpose. "The chart" is for people that want a carbine that is going to be run hard. And by hard we are talking Hundreds of rounds per range session multiple times a month. Heck I know guys that shoot thousands of rounds in a month.

Now if you are just punching paper a Doublestar will do fine. But if you want a heavy duty defensive carbine then I would suggest looking into something like an LMT, Daniel Defense, Colt, etc.
 
This is an interesting and informative thread for a newbie (to AR considerations) like me.

Can someone offer some specifics, please, about why Stag doesn't rank so high?

In fact, looking at the quoted list in post 21 (where'd that come from?), Stag doesn't even appear on the list.

Am I missing something? Does Stag go by a different name there?
 
Yeah - purpose was to shoot a lot, competitions, training classes, etc. I don't really have the budget to buy multiple ARs.
That being said, the cost of ammo, the newborn, and ankle surgery have made my gun a safe queen. I hope to get out and shoot some 100 yd comps soon, then "run and gun" when rehab is over...
Guess I will see what happens then.
Worse case scenario - I get to buy upgraded parts for the ones which break...
 
Now if you are just punching paper a Doublestar
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a guy with a doublestar wouldnt stand a chance where i punch paper (unless a doublestar will clover @200yds)

And by hard we are talking Hundreds of rounds per range session multiple times a month.
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hypothetcally speaking of course, if i were to shoot 150-200 rounds a week, at least 4 times a month (usually more like 6-8 times a month) would i definitly have problems with a bushmaster. (actually two of them) because from what ive read i just know mine are going to let go any round now
 
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