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Suicide at the range

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Braz, Mar 16, 2003.

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  1. Braz

    Braz Member

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    A sad day at the range today.

    The man in the lane next to me killed himself. There will be an investigation I assume, but from his posture and wound it seemed an obvious suicide. It was a crowded, rainy, Saturday afternoon at the range. Sadly, I was taking a friend, who hadn't shot in a while, to work with her new gun. What a great way to start. huh?

    I wasn't my usually aware self, as I concentrated on her instruction. You know how ya do, going over it in your mind to see if you could have done something better. But after watching the replay of the range videotape, it was obvious there was nothing I could'a done. He walked to the lane, loaded and ate the 1st round. This is an indoor range with solid partitions between each lane, so I couldn't see him.

    I never bring my troubles online, but this subject and forum seem appropriate. My friend was less shocked than I, as she said, 'This seems like a dangerous place.' Smart lady. Once again, I gain a valuable lesson at someone else's expense. Hard to feel lucky though, guess my troubles aren't so bad after all. Stay safe.
     
  2. Zundfolge

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    This happens way too often.

    This is why there are many ranges that will not allow someone to shoot alone.

    :(
     
  3. Bob Locke

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    Suicide: a permanent solution to temporary troubles.

    I had a buddy "try" to kill himself while we were going through nuclear power training back in the late 80's. I say "try" because from the attempt he made I don't think he was really making an effort to end his life. It was still pretty unnerving to walk into his room and see him bleeding from the wrists, though.

    At least you and your friend weren't injured. Take some comfort in that, and the fact that there wasn't a single thing you could've done about what happened.
     
  4. SquirrelNuts

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    I listen to my county's fire dispatch when I am driving. I hear on average of one suicide attempt an hour. It is amazing how frequently these things happen.

    I am sorry to hear about you going through this. I would be very shaken up myself.

    -SquirrelNuts
     
  5. Yohan

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    I am sorry to hear that happened. Although you did not know him and there wasn't anything you could have done, I am sure you must be feeling a tremendous amount of guilt and sadness of which I could not even fathom as just a high school student. I hope that this event does not trouble you too much. My condolences to you, the dude, his family, and everyone who was involved. Suicide is never the answer, unless the question was something like "what is NEVER the answer?" in which case suicide would be the answer. I hope I had words to make you feel better, but I feel that it would inappropriate for me to make such attempt. I hope everything goes back to status quo again. :(
     
  6. S_O_Laban

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    Braz, sorry to hear about this. This guy sounded determined. While in high school I had a friend try to commit suicide. He took an old 22 rifle out the closet, went into his bedroom. He put the gun to his head and squeezed the trigger, BANG. He did not die, he was not even wounded. The bullet, after inspection was found lodged in the barrell. He took this to be a sign from God that his time was not up and went on to a good life. I don't know the particulars of why this particuallar round did'nt work, I was not there, but the odds of this happening the way it did must be way up there. There's a lot in life that doesn't make sense. Hang in there
     
  7. WyldOne

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    OMG. How awful. I'm so sorry!! :( :(
     
  8. Pendragon

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    I am guessing that suicides may go up slightly due to the economic down turn.

    Glad he did not decide to play Rambo on his way out - or shoot a few people and make others shoot him - that could have moved it from tragic to horrific.
     
  9. Drjones

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    I am really very sorry you had to be there, and I sympathize with any feelings you may be having.

    Personally, I detest those who commit suicide.

    I think it is the pinnacle of selfishness.

    Example:

    I know a man who committed suicide a while back.

    He was around 50, had a wife and two handsome, wonderful sons that anyone would be proud of.

    One son was recently engaged to a delightful young lady.

    They were quite well off, and IIRC, both his sons (or at least one) were working for him.

    He killed himself right around Christmas time.

    One of his sons found him.

    They really don't even know why he did it.

    I *think* (IIRC) he was having some problems in his business, but nothing to the extent that it would cause most people to kill themselves.

    If anything, the "problem" would have meant that they would have to postpone the trip to Hawaii, or stay in a 4-star hotel. (As opposed to 5 star.) We're not talking "problems" like they wouldn't be able to eat.

    Personally, I just don't have a whole lot of sympathy or care for those who commit suicide.

    I care far more for those they so selfishly left behind.

    Another great example is Kurt Cobain.

    "Man, I can't handle having all the money, fame, and material posessions I want, so I'm gonna kill myself and leave my wife and baby behind."

    :cuss:

    Again sir, I'm sorry you had to be there for that, but you should put it in perspective.

    If anything, do not grieve for him.

    Grieve for those he so thoughtlessly left behind.

    :fire:
     
  10. Braz

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    Yeah Pen,

    That's what I was mad at myself for, not paying attention. All I heard was a shot and a groan. I peeked around the partition and he appeared gone. But we did it right, we cleared our weapons and I got her to a safe position. Then I went for the range officer. He halted fire, had everyone clear and vacate to the lounge to wait for the cops to take statements.

    Everyone took it in stride, but we were all a bit shocked. The owners were understandably grim, as this puts them under the scope. But they were gracious in getting us out asap. It was wierd watching the video of the event while we waited for the cops. (2 minutes, gunshots have 'em coming) Sad thing to have on tape with me three feet away from him. Gotta feel for his family.
     
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    Sorry to hear about this unfortunate event.

    It's always been a question in my mind how often such range suicides occur, and whether people ever try to go on "Rambo" sprees at the range, shooting others there.

    I've never heard of anything like this here in Australia and would imagine that it isn't that common elsewhere...

    Am I mistaken? :(
     
  12. Jim March

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    The ranges in my area will let you shoot alone, so long as you bring at least one obviously working gun in with you. The idea being, it's proof you don't "need" to come in there to use one of theirs :(.

    Very sad. But, on the flipside, if it wasn't a range it'd be a tall building or something :barf:.

    NOT your fault at all.

    As to suicide: if somebody very terminally ill and in pain wants out, and has the guts to do it themselves WITHOUT burdening others, cool. Leave a note explaining the circumstances, so you don't leave anybody any more heartbroken than they would be when you kicked off from the tumor or whatever in a few weeks anyhow.

    Other than that, it's just cruel and stupid.
     
  13. Ian11

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    Braz,

    Would you mind sharing which firing range this occured at? I live in L.A. and am curious. Send me a PM if you prefer.
     
  14. megatronrules

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    This is never an easy thing. I have never gone through anything like this. There isnt anything you could have done though.
    People commit suicide for many reasons it seems. Some have problems that to us in out right minds seem small. I dont think someone who kills themselves is mentally stable. Think about it. Most people who kill, or try to kill themselves are severly depressed:( Its a shame for all involved. It is selfish as well. I cant understand how someone can kill themselves in their home knowing a family member would find them that way. I dont get it:(
    Sorry that you had to experiance this.
     
  15. Study Butte

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    I am sorry to hear of your experience. The same thing happened a couple of years ago at an indoor range that I frequent.
    I wasn't present at the time that it occured but I still feel a bit freaky whenever I go there to shoot.
     
  16. Mastrogiacomo

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    I'm sorry he felt there was no way out. I've been there though...three attempts in high school with pills. Learning disabled, failing in school, no social life or close relationships -- fortunately, talking with a psychologist (and family friend) helped me get through it. Not 100% but at least I know I'd never try something so foolish again. He may have had other problems but I'm sure the economy didn't help matters. I hope your friend wasn't too shaken by the incident. There really was nothing you could have done.
     
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    Gene pool cleanup on aisle five!



    The weak shall inherit nothing.
     
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    At least he didn't hurt anybody else in the process :(

    Things like this are horrible.. If he wanted to commit suicide, should have done it at a democratic convention...
     
  19. TallPine

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    People are responsible for their own actions, period.

    The range isn't responsible, the other shooters at the range aren't responsible, and the gun isn't responsible.

    Neither are tall buildings, bridges, rivers, ropes, electric cords, autos, railroads, razors, knives, plastic grocery bags ..... etc.
     
  20. 10-Ring

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    Happens far too often, especially in places you can go rent a firearm.
     
  21. bad_dad_brad

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    Generally, in western cultures anyway, suicide is the last desperate act of one who is severly depressed. This is a mental condition that can be treated if the symptoms are noticed by friends and loved ones. Pro-active prevention is really the only way to prevent this kind of thing. This affliction strikes people of all ages, but it seems to come about during specific time periods and events in a persons life.

    Hang in their Braz. A terrible thing to have witnessed, but as your fellow THRs are quick to point out, you could have done nothing to prevent this.
     
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    Morbid curiosity question, sorry if it's crass. Did the deceased shoot himself right handed, left handed or straight on? I have always taken lanes at the far right of the range on the theory that most shooters are right handed and would probably shoot themselves with their dominant hand.
     
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    Our range requires that only parties of two or more can rent.

    I had an ex-roommate who used to always talk about how he tried to commit suicide just to get attention.
     
  24. SquirrelNuts

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    Drjones,

    Keep in mind that the loss of wealth and material posessions are not the only reasons people kill themselves (or try to). People with no money problems still kill themselves.

    -SquirrelNuts
     
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    Life is short enough to be committing suicide.:(

    Say a prayer for the guys family and for Braz and everybody else effected.

    It is sad that this person had to choose a range to do it but at least he didn't set out to hurt anyone but himself, physically. I realize that many will be hurt and affected but what I am saying is at least he didn't go on a killing spree etc.

    Take care and be safe everybody.

    Chris
     
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