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Suicide, Safety First...

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  1. RED-DOG 40

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    Suicide, Saftey First...

    25-year-old St. George man commits suicide

    ST. GEORGE -- A St. George man committed suicide Tuesday night at about 10:45 near the St. George City offices.

    A Utah Highway Patrol trooper apparently attempted to pull over the 25-year-old male on St. George Boulevard, but the male fled in his car.

    The officer finally pulled him over near 100 East and 200 North when the male exited his car.

    He apparently made a comment about committing suicide, put on ear protection and shot himself in the chest.

    Police blocked off 200 East at 200 North and 100 East at 200 North during the time of the incident to safeguard the scene. :banghead:
     
  2. Henry Bowman

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    What about eye protection? :rolleyes:


    Actually, he needed to duct tape a trauma plate to his chest. :uhoh:

    Seroiusly, sorry for his family. And too bad he had to add to Sarah Brady's firearm death stats. At 25 years of age, he will be counted as a "child." :scrutiny:
     
  3. Tamara

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    Now that is funny! :p
     
  4. Ed Straker

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    Couple of years ago I read about a guy who locked himself in his car in his garage and shot himself in the chest with a shotgun. He wasn't found for a day or two, but pinned to his shirt was a note saying he wanted to donate his organs.
     
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    Ed, evidently he was referring to his brain. :uhoh:
     
  6. QuarterBoreGunner

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    The final thoughts of a person intent on suicide are obviously God’s Own Mystery.

    Case in point: when working the ammo counter at my old indoor range/store, I had a guy come in, rent eye and ear protection, get some target and also rent the Colt Anaconda .44. He then came over to where I was working the ammo counter and asked for “the most powerful hunting ammo†we had. I set him up with a box of Hornady 300grn XTP which we used to keep on hand for the pig hunters in the area. He complained about the price and decided to get a box of Fed red box 240grn instead. Then he promptly went into the men’s room and shot himself in the head.

    Now the really strange part is that when you sign in to shoot, we used to keep a tab running, so that if you needed more ammo or targets for the range, we’d just add them to the tab and you’d pay at the end.

    So what the heck was the guy complaining about the price for? IT’S NOT LIKE HE WAS GOING TO PAY FOR IT!

    Just plain weird.
     
  7. MMcCall

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    Old habits die hard. Harder than the individual, apparently.
     
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    I suppose so. I guess it was the same for the guy with the earmuffs. Perhaps it's a variation of the old theme of reverting to your training. In moments of stress your body responds like it was trained/practiced to do. Going to shoot a gun? Put on hearing protection.
     
  9. jsalcedo

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    If I was ever to off myself I would be sure to wear some second chance body armor.
     
  10. P95Carry

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    Suicide, whether by gun or any other means .. is incredibly selfish. I wonder in many cases, if they have even an atom of a clue as to what a mess and sadness they leave behind .... and I ain't referring to the blood either.

    Easy way out perhaps but oh brother .. I have seen the aftermath twice in my life .. it is horrific what this does to families.
     
  11. Stickjockey

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    It may be just an ingrained desire for safety, even in the face of death. A couple years ago I bought one of the Yugo M-48 Mausers with the "full kit" - sling, bayonet with scabbard and frog, cleaning kit, yadda yadda - got it home and started to clean it up. When I pulled the bayonet from the scabbard, it was covered in cosmolene or some such stuff that had probably been there since the gun was packed away. The first though that went through my head was, "Holy ****, this things nasty! What kind of infections would that cause if you actually used it?" Yes, I was concerned that anyone I might have to try to kill with this thing would get infected!:scrutiny:
     
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    For some reason, the more I think about it, this story reminds me the medical technician that swabs the condemned convicts arm with the alcohol before the lethal injection…
     
  13. M2 Carbine

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    My father used a gun.

    I don't think I'de use a gun.
    Someone has to clean up that mess, that's nasty.

    Then using a gun is like disrespecting something you have held in a place of honor for years.
     
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    from now on,dont let them take their guns into the crapper,especially the rentals!

    You know sooner or later some one is gonna come out of there after accidently dropping YOUR gun into a clogged up toilet,or will try to clear a clog with a .45 drain cleaner!
     
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    gunsmith- yeah we put a stop to people taking firearms into the bathroom after that. It just never occured to us that someone would cap themselves in a john.

    Someday I'll have to relate the time I performed an unauthorized combination 'drop-test/hostile-enviroment' test on my Glock 30 in the mens room at the range. :uhoh:

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    M2 Carbine- You are correct, it's extremely nasty to clean up after a suicide. We had three in the entire 10 year history of the former National Shooting Club, and the best thing I can say was at least the guy in the mens room did it on a tile floor. The other two were out on the range and we had to rip up and replace the carpet. Very messy.

    Sorry to hear about your father.
     
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    Why did Kamikazi pilots wear helmets? :banghead:
     
  18. Joe Demko

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    A friend of mine committed suicide with a Winchester .30-30. Coroner's men took the torso and the biggest chunks of the head away. I cleaned up the rest. Suicides are definitely some rude and selfish people.
     
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    Perhaps he was concerned about flinching.
     
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    I just love when selfish people say that.. doesn't anybody realize how selfish it is to claim that someone who commits suicide is being selfish?

    Utter B.S., everybody is selfish... who's more so; the person who kills him/herself or the survivers who whine on about how selfish that person was?

    I've had close friends (no relatives that I'm aware of) take plan 'B', and never once did I think them selfish for doing so....

    On the other hand, I agree it sure is rude to use a firearm to do so.. Fall on a sword (I had one friend that did that), at least it has style.
     
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    Braindead ........
    Re Golgo's comment, and mine earlier on that ....

    There are shall we say .... 2 ways to do it.

    Method #1 .. planned in advance meticulously ... finances, legal matters - all wrapped up .. maybe too a note .. and it all might be due to a terminal illness and the person's wish to quit. I have little problem with that ... after all our lives are ours. It would be selfish in that sorta case to wish the person to continue to suffer.

    Method #2 .... this is the one I think we are thinking of. Possibly/probably someone much younger .. probably fit and well .... with family, kids, commitments ..... but maybe they have tired of stress, they could be depressed also - I'll admit that. However, these cases just ''do it''! No prep'ing ... no notes ... nothing ''tidied up'' ..... so what do they leave behind, having abrigated their responsibilities to family etc??

    CHAOS! There is the trauma of that event ... it is after all probably a loss of a loved one. Others have to sort out all this mess .... and get things in order. Plus often, immense financial embarrassment.

    THAT is a selfish suicide ... no thought for others thru the deed .... simply the ''easy option'' .... a ''get-out'' if you will. ''Screw the world and everyone in it - I'm outa here''!!!

    You may still adhere to your comment . and we'll agree to disagree but ... acknowledge at least ... there are two very distinct basic types of suicide ...... and they affect the outcome and sequele - dramatically.
     
  22. QuarterBoreGunner

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    Well said Chris.
     
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    Quite frankly, I'd much prefer using a gun to commit suicide. Quick, painless, and reliable. We all talk about how guns are best for self-defense, but if it can stop a BG, it can sure as heck stop you from breathing. If I had a terminally ill relative who was bedridden and wanted to end it all after saying goodbye to everyone, I certainly wouldn't like them to use an inefficient method that might get botched up.
     
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    If that were truly a concern, he could have loaded some "snap caps" :scrutiny:
     
  25. Matt G

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    A note, here:

    The originally referenced story is pretty interesting, in its irony. Inevitably, though, thinking people will get to considering the nature of human behavior, and its odder manifestations when a person believes suicide is their only option left. Personal examples are then brought out by those who are haunted by them. This can create a discrepancy, in which some of us are still appreciating the ironic humor of the original post, while others are struggling with the weight of their own painful memories of the death of a loved one, or of a stranger who hurt them by striking at himself.

    On this board, we speak daily of the use and care of deadly weapons, and so we can begin to find ourselves, perhaps, a tad jaded to the concept of the aftermath when they are employed, for good or bad. But this is TheHighRoad, and I would ask you, kind Members, to have consideration and respect for your fellow Member who may well be reliving a nightmare.

    --Matt G
     
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