Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Summer Pocket Carry Cautionary Tale

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by GCBurner, Aug 22, 2011.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. GCBurner

    GCBurner Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2010
    Messages:
    1,853
    This time of year here in Florida, the uniform of the day is shorts and tee shirts to cope with 95+ degree heat and 90%+ humidity. For comfort and concealment's sake, I switched from carrying a stainless steel J-frame .38 Special in a inside-the-waistband holster to a parkerized Kel-Tec .380 in a pocket holster. The little .380 just disappears into the nylon sleeve in my pocket, and I hardly notice it's there, a big contrast to the S&W 640 revolver. I generally run a magazine or three through the Kel-Tec at least once a week when I'm at the range, and it's proven pretty reliable, and I've gotten used to the long trigger pull to the point I can keep everything inside a 8" bullseye at 7 to 10 yards. I'd been keeping it loaded in condition 1 in its holster on the dresser, where I could just pick it up and slip it in my pocket on the way out the door.
    I didn't get to the range last week, due to other comittments and pouring rainstorms, but I did still carry it daily, and did a lot of walking (and sweating) in the heat and humidity during the day. When I took it by the range to fire off a few rounds day before yesterday, I was surprised and disappointed that the first shot failed to eject the case, and jammed the next round tight against it. Dropping the mag and letting the slide slam forward, I was able to eject it manually, and feed the next round, which also failed to eject. Three out of six rounds in the mag jammed, which is unacceptable in a self-defense pistol.
    I took it home and broke it down to examine it, and noticed little speckles of rust on the extractor spring. There were also little speckes of rust on the breech face, and little speckles inside the chamber. The nylon pocket holster is not waterproof, and in spite of the fact that the gun was well cleaned and oiled after the last time I used it, the humid, sweaty environment in my pants pocket had turned it into a jam-o-matic after two weeks of carry without use.
    After a thorough cleaning, scrubbing, and relubing, I took it back to the range today and cranked off 40 rounds without a single failure, which made me feel a lot better about it. From here on out, it comes out of the holster when I get home, unloaded, and swabbed with Breakfree CLP inside and out, until the next time I load it up to carry it.
    I'd recommend the same procedure to anyone else who carries concealed on their person in the Sweaty Lattitudes this time of year. It could be right embarrassing in some situations it you could only fire a single shot, when you needed to fire two or three.
     
  2. J_McLeod

    J_McLeod Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2010
    Messages:
    1,541
    Location:
    Homestead, FL
    A similar thing happened to my wife's LCP after a long vacation in the Southeast. It took me a lot of work to get it clean again.
     
  3. thefamcnaj

    thefamcnaj Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2011
    Messages:
    690
    Location:
    Earth
    I carry my glock 27 iwb in a leather holster. It's a wild bills concealment holster. It's bull hide. I've never paid attention to wheather sweat penetrates to the gun. I sure hope not because it only gets cleaned and lubed after range visits. I'll have to keep a closer I on it.
     
  4. armoredman

    armoredman Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2003
    Messages:
    16,714
    Location:
    proud to be in AZ
    I had a PPK I pocket carried one day in AZ heat. The side of it was solid rust when I pulled it out. I carried an alloy revolver next time I pocket carried.
    My current CCW, CZ SP-01 Phantom, has a poly frame and a VERY thick leather sweat shield between the metal and the sweaty skin. Carried for two months in AZ heat and monsoon humidity, shot it today, no issues what so ever.
    Can I suggest a Robert Mika pocket holster? Cheap and worth 5 times the price.
     
  5. Safetychain

    Safetychain Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2009
    Messages:
    234
    Location:
    Charleston, SC
    That is why I will not buy any gun that is not stainless or some other material that is pretty much rust proof/highly resistant. I spend 5 months a year in the Keys when I'm not in the Carolina lowcountry which is just as bad. My compromise in pocket carry is the TCP-380 in stainless. Not everything is stainless but the barrel and slide are at least. I carry every day and have cleaned it maybe 5 times in the last year and no rust specks yet.
     
  6. GCBurner

    GCBurner Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2010
    Messages:
    1,853
    In a hot, humid environment, even stainless steel isn't rust-proof, only rust-resistant. Preventative maintenence is my new religion, including the blued steel magazines and mag springs.
     
  7. chihuahuatn

    chihuahuatn Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2007
    Messages:
    145
    Location:
    (Dirty South)
    BTW, LA (Lower Alabama) and East Tennessee my guns see alot of humidity and sweat. I condition my guns with Eezox, never had problem with rust.
    Mike
     
  8. Pud

    Pud Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2006
    Messages:
    88
    Can you elaborate on the "Eezox"??
    Pud
     
  9. FLAvalanche

    FLAvalanche Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2010
    Messages:
    810
    Location:
    Port Charlotte, Florida
    Another product that I use is Inox. I use Inox grease and oil on all of my firearms, rods and reels, and everywhere on my boat and truck. Love the stuff.

    It doesn't evaporate or rinse off with water like other oils and lubes. Believe it or not the stuff is food grade and even kosher certified.

    The only downside is that they recommend using the grease and oil together as other brands of oil and/or grease can break down the Inox.
     
  10. herkyguy

    herkyguy Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2009
    Messages:
    1,377
    Live and carry in FL. I've never had rust appear on a CCW gun. I keep them oiled, but not to the point where it's dripping - I use Breakfree or CLP exclusively. I am really perplexed by these tales of rust that surface from time to time. The way I see it, either people's sweat is different or we're all cleaning our guns differently. I'm cautious now with my pistols because these threads pop up from time to time.
     
  11. ForumSurfer

    ForumSurfer Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2010
    Messages:
    3,057
    Location:
    NC
    Your 27 will be fine. I've carried my glock for quite some time in the hot, humid southeast. Sweat, direct exposure to water, falling off a boat...it is good to go with minimal effort, trust me. :)

    I was just looking at the Kel-Tec and thinking about picking one up. I guess I'll need to surf a few forums and find out what others here in the humid south are saying.
     
  12. JohnBT

    JohnBT Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    13,233
    Location:
    Richmond, Virginia
    I pocket carried a P-32 in a leather holster everyday for many years. Of course, it was hard chromed. :) It's as humid here as anywhere.
     
  13. Alex23

    Alex23 member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2009
    Messages:
    214
    Location:
    Texas
    "Your 27 will be fine. I've carried my glock for quite some time in the hot, humid southeast. Sweat, direct exposure to water, falling off a boat...it is good to go with minimal effort, trust me. "

    Seconded. I have carried Glocks in hot and humid Texas and they seem to hold up. If I'm carrying one I like to apply a little Ballistol to it every couple of weeks but that's all.
     
  14. USAF_Vet

    USAF_Vet Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2011
    Messages:
    5,773
    Location:
    Hastings, Michigan
    It's been pretty humid here in Michigan this summer. I don't have central air in my house, just fans and window units. I ended up with a nasty rust problem. I keep my guns oiled if they are put up for long term storage. I went out and bought a bunch of desicant and placed them in the gun cabinet, and some small packets for the pistol case. I also have the foam in the pistol and rifle cases lightly oiled. The dessicant lasts for about 3 months, and I was surprised how much moisture it pulled.

    Waterproof/ water repellant treat your nylon holster. You can get camp dry spray at Wal Mart, and it works as a nice waterproofer.
     
  15. Dogguy

    Dogguy Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2010
    Messages:
    466
    Pocket pistols need cleaning and relubrication frequently, especially in hot, humid weather. It doesn't really matter what type of holster you use, what miracle gun oil you use or if the gun is stainless steel or wonder metal. The gun needs to be inspected daily. Pockets are dirty, sweaty environments. Holsters collect crud and moisture. You may need to field strip, clean and relubricate autos every few days under those conditions. Otherwise, you're asking for trouble.
     
  16. PabloJ

    PabloJ Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2010
    Messages:
    5,214
    Going to the range at least once a week and cleaning that thing daily would be way too much work for me.
     
  17. thefamcnaj

    thefamcnaj Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2011
    Messages:
    690
    Location:
    Earth
    I have a can of break free Clp. It says its a dry lube. I bought it as a reccomendation from a friend. I use hoppes 9, hoppes elite gun cleaner, and rem oil. I clean with the hoppe's products and lube with the rem oil. What I'm wondering about this break free is this: As you clean with it, is it lubing the gun as well at the same time thus ruling out the need for an oil. This is why I don't use the break free because I don't know if its a cleaner or a lube or both. Is it a one product does all? Sorry if that was an elementary question guys.
     
  18. bhk

    bhk Member

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2006
    Messages:
    1,042
    Location:
    Wooded acreage in rural midwest
    CLP = Cleaner, Lubricant, Protectant. Breakfree CLP has worked great for me for decades. It is not worlds best bore cleaner, but works ok for most handgun cleanups. Removing copper from a rifle bore takes a harsher cleaner.
     
  19. thefamcnaj

    thefamcnaj Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2011
    Messages:
    690
    Location:
    Earth
    So after I clean the rails and barrel and such with the break free there is no need to go back with oil down the rails or on the barrel? After I clean the gun to my satisfaction with the break free I can just put it back together because it was lubed as I cleaned correct? Sorry guys I'm headed to the other room now to get my dunce cap.
     
  20. chihuahuatn

    chihuahuatn Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2007
    Messages:
    145
    Location:
    (Dirty South)
  21. hardluk1

    hardluk1 member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2009
    Messages:
    4,405
    Location:
    nc mountains
    bhk clp's good stuff over all. I carried a taurus 85SS for almost 11 years down in sw fl in my right front pocket. Worked as a carpenter used a sythetic holster and still do today. Many of those summer days i had to change pants as they were soaked. Tool pouchs too My revolver was between me and the pouch. That SS taurus look almost as good today as when i bought it new. There are different quality of SS, some maybe tend to show wear and rust more than others maybe. I have used Breakfree CLP since 1975. I do use a good cleaner when needed but once you get a barrel broke in the cleaner is not needed often. I found with break free I could get away with more abuse and not show any problems. I grew up hunting in those S FL swamps with low cost blued shotguns and rifles and couple good handguns . Still own them and no rust. It does seem over time to leave a film on finish's that just soaks in, maybe. maybe not. But its allways there. Eezox may be better at stopping rust but if you take desent carry of your fireams they will be fine with clp.
     
  22. two gun charlie

    two gun charlie Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2011
    Messages:
    293
    Location:
    Republic of South Africa
    thanks for the reminder GC , funny how rust has a tendency to sneak up on a gun :scrutiny:
     
  23. msparks

    msparks Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2011
    Messages:
    124
    Location:
    Middle TN
    I had been carrying my glock 26 IWB most of the summer in a MIC holster. That thing would be covered in sweat even after 10 min of wear. If it's over 90 I now carry mostly OWB in a Blackhawk CQC holster. I don't care if someone sees it or not.
     
  24. tpelle

    tpelle Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2003
    Messages:
    423
    Location:
    Northern Kentucky
    I have a stainless 1911 that I carry in a leather IWB holster. I discovered that the wood stocks would soak up and hold enough moisture to cause pitting under them, and a normal daily wipe-down wouldn't alleviate the problem.

    I went to Staples and bought a cheap report cover with a clear plastic front. I traced the stock panels on to the plastic, then cut the plastic slightly smaller than the stocks, and cut holes for the grip screw bushings. I reassembled the stocks on the pistol with plastic sandwiched between the wood and the frame. Problem solved.
     
  25. KodiakBeer

    KodiakBeer member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2010
    Messages:
    3,276
    Location:
    Kodiak, AK
    Wow! What a thorough test! I've been using Eezox for 10 or 12 years in some pretty harsh conditions and don't use anything any more.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page