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Support H.R. 822, the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011.

Discussion in 'Activism Discussion and Planning' started by 92FS, Oct 14, 2011.

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  1. 92FS

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    I created a petition on the Whitehouse’s website to urge the Obama administration and congress to support H.R.822. WE have until Oct 22 to get 5000 signatures. We have 2070 to go. Please if you haven’t signed this petition already go to the link posted in this thread and do so. We need this to pass. And we are so close. Here’s the link http://wh.gov/g82 here’s a link to the you tube video to better explain
    The signing process. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTPyzgQh4Fo Thank you.
     
  2. mortablunt

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    I have just created an account and I am waiting to receive my welf- I mean email. I was hoping for national Open Carry, but it looks like great improvements in national laws aren't for the under 21's!
     
  3. AEA

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    This is a Lib scam.
    They will use this (if passed) to control State's rights WRT Firearms and will surely strip the 2nd Amendment away from us!

    Don't fall for it!
     
  4. mortablunt

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    ^ It was created by a THR guy. Besides there is a 10'th amendment. There is also a supremacy clause.

    UPDATE: Account created and I've signed the petition. 4 more sigs in 10 min!
     
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  5. AEA

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    Well then, THR Guy has no idea what he is promoting.
    Anyone who signs this is a FOOL!
    Not that it will make any difference anyway, but the thought that you can be fooled this easily makes me sick.

    Another F&F (Deception) in the making, this time for NORTH of the Border!
     
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  6. Shadow 7D

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    Um, it won't pass and it won't pass muster

    HOWEVER
    do you think the people of Arizona, Alaska and Vermont want CALIFORNIA's or worse, NY,NY CCW regulation and GUN GRABBING imposed on them????
     
  7. AEA

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    I can speak for Texas: NO!
     
  8. mortablunt

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    The goal is to essentially apply the Full Faith and Credit clause to gun carry permits. Essentially, if you have a state permit, such as say, a Virginia CHL, an you want to visit Idaho, then your Virginia permit is valid there. It's also valid in any state you visit along the way. That's the goal, from what was posted.
     
  9. Shadow 7D

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    And how would the federal government impose one states laws on another
    who decides what standards are acceptable?

    do we allow anybody who is able to CCW in their home state, So residents of Alaska or Arizona can carry with out a license..

    This is a non starter every state in the Union will sue and it will be defeated if it doesn't just get killed in committee or vetoed. Most states recognize those licenses that are of a similar or more stringent standard than their own, most with reciprocation. This issue is MUCH better addressed on the state level.
     
  10. AEA

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    You may think that is the goal (sounds good huh) they want you to think that way..........unfortunately, the real (hidden & deceiving) goal is more "common sense" control (IE: repeal the 2nd).
     
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    Agreed...DO NOT sign this.

    If states want reciprocity they can get it already, without getting the feds involved....if WE give the Feds the power to give us this, then by default we also give them the power to take it away.

    It is a trick, don't fall for it...

    I'm a truck driver and I carry all over the country, been doing it that way a long time...reciprocity works just fine.
     
  12. Mike1234567

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    It's a baited trap.
     
  13. Geckgo

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    Haven't read the bill, can't endorse it right now, but I tend to agree with the "trap" crowd. Not sure if it's a conscious decision to "trap" us necessarily, but when I read the NRA report on HR 822 I thought to myself, "why?" If we don't need it then I don't want it. One less piece of paper for lawers to pass over till they find a loophole, for good or bad.
     
  14. GreenSkyy87

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    No thanks, I support the 10th and believe in the constitution.

    For the full faith and credit clause argument, well, there is a pretty big difference in drivers licenses, marriage licenses, etc, etc.

    A) All the things that fall under full faith are very common and have very similar application processes.

    B) I don't know any states that allow you to obtain a drivers license without taking a test.

    Some states require actual range time to qualify, others don't. Some states don't even require a permit to carry concealed. It varies too much to try and apply full faith and credit.

    Lastly, I believe in small government. My ability to carry a concealed handgun is the last thing I even want anywhere near the feds. May still be a state permit, but like I said, 10th amendment.

    I too could see this turning out to be an anti-gun sham too. If they grant a power, that gives them a power to take away.
     
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    Any government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have away

    I would not want MY CCW in FL to be governed by the laws of DC, NYC, Chicago, etc.

    DO NOT GIVE THE FEDS THAT RIGHT
     
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    Let me preface this by saying that I am not a Constitutional Lawyer. However, I can read, and the NRA DOES have Constitutional Lawyers. They like this bill, and can find anyting wrong with it.

    It should be unnecessary. The Constitution already states that a "privilage" in one state shall be valid in all. That is why your marrige license, and driver's license are valid no matter where you go.

    " Article IV: Section 2: The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States."

    For one, this mentions "Immunites" and "Privileges" but NOT RESTRICTIONS! Secondly, the fact that the Supreme Court has asininely interpreted this to not include professional licenses (ie: doctors, lawyers, etc) or CHP is beyond me. That is why there needs to be a law that garuntees that there is some semblance of unity in this republic. I fail to see how this cuold possibly endange 2A??? I fail to see how a nut like Bloomberg could use this to impose draconian NCY laws on the country as a whole. All I see this doing is preventing the legal hassels associated with interstate travel. Now I can drive from NC to NY to visit my mother and take my gun with me. If anyone has a specific argument to the contrary, I would love to hear it!
     
  17. GreenSkyy87

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    Acorn has constitutional lawyers too who also like bills that cater to their agenda. :banghead:
     
  18. mortablunt

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    It's disturbing to see you guys reduced to fear mongering whenever the word "federal" is mentioned. Remember, that second amendment we all love so much is a federal thing.
     
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    Disturbing to see such public distrust in Federal Government (politicians)? Yes. Public distrust earned by those politicians? Yes.
     
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    Article IV: Section 2 should already serve the purpose of HR822, but because 4-2 is ignored by the states with respect to carry of a firearm, a permit in FL is not recognized in CA or NJ (much less the "constitutional carry" of Alaska or New Hampshire).

    What then does HR822 "do" that is not already required by Article IV: Section 2 of the Constitution? It specifically addresses the question of whether a carry permit in one state must be honored in another.
     
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    Reciprocity works fine...

    Of course while the Oregon CHL is apparently recognized by a good number of states, we recognize that visitors from other states have no right to self defense when visiting here.

    Just fine indeed... ;)
     
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    Unless you're gay/lesbian. Or black in 1966.

    The people against it are afraid of the possibility of an eventual outcome where a bill enforcing recognition results in the restrictions of one state being passed down to all of the other states. In this sense, it is quite the opposite of the "Defense of Marriage" Act which protects states from acknowledging the civil liberties of visitors/residents; HR822 prevents states from denying the civil liberties of visitors/residents(except in one case). What people are worried about is the forecasted anti-gun equivalent of DOMA on steroids, where the restrictions on liberties within one state are forced on all of the other states.
     
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    I find these guys are more on top of HR822 than even the NRA.
     
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    Florida sayin NO

    AFS
     
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    +1!
     
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