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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Oleg Volk, May 17, 2007.

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  1. trfcrugby

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    I completely agree that the 2A says nothing about hunting, in fact it has little to do with hunting, even though a lot of people like to talk about it that way.

    You can't see the AK very well in the image, for one. I think it needs to be in your face a little more. It's a good concept, but try to think about it from the angle of a person who thinks our hobby of shooting milsurp rifles is lame. I don't hunt, but most of my inlaws do, and they think my AR and AK collection is stupid, as is my Mossberg 500 with the 18.5" barrel, since they aren't hunting rifles.
     
  2. wjustinen

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    That's not a hunting rifle??? Why???
     
  3. mustanger98

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    An AK isn't a hunting rifle for several reasons. I'll try to explain the ones I can presently think of. First off, American soldiers and hunters either buy or are issued the most accurate rifles they can get... or that's how it should be. Not all AK's are as accurate as I've heard some are. A hunter- notice I said hunter; not slob posing as hunter- needs a rifle that's accurate enough that he's sure he can get a one shot kill done humanely. Most AK's I hear about aren't so accurate... mostly just commie bullet hoses suited to spray-and-pray type shooting. That's partly because of bad barrels and partly because the full-auto varient just doesn't get aimed like a semi-auto is supposed to be aimed. I'm throwing in the differentiation between the FA and SA versions here. Also, some state hunting regulations state that SA rifles have a maximum magazine capacity of 5rds... most AK mags are 30rd or more. A responsible hunter doesn't want to shoot his deer to pieces as can happen when shooting multiple rounds at one animal. One shot one kill imposes a discipline on a hunter. A semi-auto all too often just shows the guy on the next ridge what a bad shooter someone is. In addition... while some folks like to compare 7.62x39 with American .30-30, that's an apples/oranges comparison because case dimensions, powder charge weights and bullet weights are different. I wouldn't rate factory loaded ammo in the two chambering as being so equal... I opt for the .30-30 with the heavier bullet in this comparison knowing some posters will disagree. Now, a 7.62x54R such as fired in the Mosin Nagant rifles and the AKM is another story... it's on a par with .308 and .30-06 for range and knockdown power. That's my take on it.
     
  4. wjustinen

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    Thanks for the response.

    But, for the lad who can only afford one rifle - keeping in mind the primary purpose of the 2nd - is the AK inappropriate for hunting given the following:

    1. appropriate bullet (designed for use on game)
    2. 5 round mag (to keep the gamekeepers happy)
    3. knowledge of the range at which the hunter can consistently hit a dinner plate sized target (maximum range any hunter should consider firing at)

    :confused:
     
  5. ArfinGreebly

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    Hunting Rifle?

    A racing car is a car that you race.

    A fishing boat is a boat from which you fish.

    A hunting rifle is a rifle with which you hunt.

    If I had to make my way with an AK, and I had to put food on the table with it, I think I could hook that up.

    As far as that goes, I could probably get that done with an M1 Carbine -- knowing that several people over the years have done just that.

    Heck, you could probably lay in "beef" with a .38 revolver if it came to that.

    'Course, you might have to have some mad hunting skillz to do it.

    Hunting would be less about the scope and more about the stalk.

    I reckon an AK could get the job done.

    Not sure I'd want to hunt ducks with that rifle, though. I'm not as good as John Kerry.

    :D
     
  6. Chad

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    mustanger98:
    My AK is a tack-driver at 50 yds, my SKS is a tack-driver at 100yds.
    It's been close to 20 years since I've been hunting...life sets it's own priorities.
    But if I were to go tomorrow I would take either of the above mentioned rifles with complete confidence that they could do a proper job.

    An AK is a perfectly appropriate rifle for the subject at hand.
     
  7. Weimadog

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    To me, he looks like the "after spider-hole" Sadaam.
     
  8. mustanger98

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    Chad, If you notice, I gave some room for exceptions. If you think your commie bloc rifles can do the job at the ranges you might intend to shoot a deer, go for it. I simply beleive my .30-30 will do a better job for me than most rifles of the AK and SKS series. This ain't religion nearly so much as personal preference. It seems most game wardens in my area will agree with me too.
     
  9. Chad

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    I completely agree and have no problem with your choices.
    I just don't care for you disparaging mine.
     
  10. starboard

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    Semi-auto is great for hunting. One round for the deer, the rest for the Hmong.
     
  11. mustanger98

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    Chad, If you re-read my posts, I think you'll find that I didn't say anything particularly disparaging. I didn't say they were bad for what they are. I described why they're not generally thought of as hunting rifles. I think you're just taking it too personal.
     
  12. bogie

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    I thought Jerry was dead...
     
  13. hso

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    Santa with an AK.:)[​IMG]

    Sadam with an AK.:uhoh:

    Jerry Garcia with an AK! :D

    Nawww, just Frank with a krinkov.

    I'll have to tell Frank to check this thread. He'd like Bogie's the best.;)
     
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