Suppressed shotgun with buckshot - No Country for Old Men
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Just rented this movie. It felt like a "Best Picture Oscar Winner" until the very end. I, and many others felt the collective "***?"
Anyway, not too knowledgeable about suppressors of any kind. Didn't take my enjoyment out of the movie if the shotgun silencer wasn't completely realistic. That it made for some dramatic murders was enough for me.
Still, I did love that Tommy Lee carried a Colt Combat Government 1911. Supposedly that one is realistic for the period.
Best line related to that (paraphrased):
Deputy: "We goin' in then?" (reaching for his S&W Model 10)
Ed Tom: (nods toward the holstered revolver) "Up and out."
Deputy pulls out his Smith and touches the door handle. He glances back at his boss, who hasn't drawn his 1911.
Deputy: "Not gonna draw?"
Ed Tom: (in an ironic whisper) "I'm hidin' behind YOU."
Anyway, not too knowledgeable about suppressors of any kind. Didn't take my enjoyment out of the movie if the shotgun silencer wasn't completely realistic. That it made for some dramatic murders was enough for me.
Still, I did love that Tommy Lee carried a Colt Combat Government 1911. Supposedly that one is realistic for the period.
Best line related to that (paraphrased):
Deputy: "We goin' in then?" (reaching for his S&W Model 10)
Ed Tom: (nods toward the holstered revolver) "Up and out."
Deputy pulls out his Smith and touches the door handle. He glances back at his boss, who hasn't drawn his 1911.
Deputy: "Not gonna draw?"
Ed Tom: (in an ironic whisper) "I'm hidin' behind YOU."
Pizzagunner
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I don't get the criticism of the ending of NCFOM.
Life is full of *** moments. Not every bad man gets caught. Not every story has closure. Injustices abound. They didn't run out of money on the shoot, they shot a scene for scene adaptation of the actual novel which ends just as ambiguously.
The pivotal line in the book and the movie is the minor character, Ellis, the retired deputy that knew Sheriff Bell's father, uttering to the nearly used up lawman, "Whatcha got ain't nothin new. This country's hard on people, you can't stop what's coming, it ain't all waiting on you. That's vanity."
The brief discussion between the two old timey lawmen captures the seemingly random and relentless nature of evil and how it is not really checked despite the best efforts of good men.
Moral of the story from the perspective of the Sheriff: You do what you can to make your corner of the world a better place, but in the end we are all grist for the mill. The entire notion of "no country for old men" alludes to the not uncommon opinion that only young people are so guileless as to think that they will actually "change the world."
The agnosticism that infuses Cormac McCarthy's works comes in the form of the random(?) chaos that almost claims the hitman Chigurh. The manifestation of self-directed evil is almost killed by a driver failing to obey a red light. Is that God punishing the wicked? Who can say? Seemingly senseless things cut down people all of the time, every day, the good and the wicked alike. Death comes for us all. What you do with your time here and what you believe that allows you to make any sense of things is really up to you.
The lack of a "dramatic payoff" in the movie is a true life echo of what reality is.
Life is full of *** moments. Not every bad man gets caught. Not every story has closure. Injustices abound. They didn't run out of money on the shoot, they shot a scene for scene adaptation of the actual novel which ends just as ambiguously.
The pivotal line in the book and the movie is the minor character, Ellis, the retired deputy that knew Sheriff Bell's father, uttering to the nearly used up lawman, "Whatcha got ain't nothin new. This country's hard on people, you can't stop what's coming, it ain't all waiting on you. That's vanity."
The brief discussion between the two old timey lawmen captures the seemingly random and relentless nature of evil and how it is not really checked despite the best efforts of good men.
Moral of the story from the perspective of the Sheriff: You do what you can to make your corner of the world a better place, but in the end we are all grist for the mill. The entire notion of "no country for old men" alludes to the not uncommon opinion that only young people are so guileless as to think that they will actually "change the world."
The agnosticism that infuses Cormac McCarthy's works comes in the form of the random(?) chaos that almost claims the hitman Chigurh. The manifestation of self-directed evil is almost killed by a driver failing to obey a red light. Is that God punishing the wicked? Who can say? Seemingly senseless things cut down people all of the time, every day, the good and the wicked alike. Death comes for us all. What you do with your time here and what you believe that allows you to make any sense of things is really up to you.
The lack of a "dramatic payoff" in the movie is a true life echo of what reality is.
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They do exist. As has been stated they are more popular in Europe where they actually aren't as heavily restricted, believe it or not. It's considered more of a noise control/noise pollution reduction type device rather than having the violent connotation it has produced here for whatever reason.
It still is loud, but not as loud as with an unsuppressed shotgun.
It still is loud, but not as loud as with an unsuppressed shotgun.
Beagle-zebub
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+1,000 on what pizzagunner said.
It's a .410, but you get the idea. Sounds pretty quiet to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpTj95V8-c4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpTj95V8-c4
bigalexe
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I grant an honorary PHD in philosophy to Pizzagunner.
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The movie is nearly a dead match of the book - which is impressive. I loved both the movie and the book and Pizza's got it right - bad happens and good doesn't always win.
If you don't like the ending go see Die Hard - it's more your speed.
If you don't like the ending go see Die Hard - it's more your speed.
Nate1778
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Man I wanted to see the movie for so long, thought it was going to be the cats meow of the year. I have never been so disappointed in an ending in my life. Cool gun though............
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Yes it is impossible. The suppressor is too short and the hole is too small. The shotgun appears to be a Remington 11-87. I think that they came out either 1983 or 1985 but could be mistaken. Also I think one of the smugglers had an HK MP5K. Those were not available untill the late eighties. Theres more too but I can't remember.
steveracer
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The gun in the film looked like a 20 gauge remington 1100 to me. That would make the hole in the supressor the right size.
As for the plot, well, if you didn't get it, you weren't paying attention. I thought it was wonderful. I particularly liked the ending, which, like Pizzagunner said, mirrored real life wonderfully. You don't always get the bad guy. And, sometimes, you ARE the bad guy, even if you have thought your whole life you were the good guy.
Some serial killers die of old age in their homes, with their families close by wishing them well. Get over it.
As for the plot, well, if you didn't get it, you weren't paying attention. I thought it was wonderful. I particularly liked the ending, which, like Pizzagunner said, mirrored real life wonderfully. You don't always get the bad guy. And, sometimes, you ARE the bad guy, even if you have thought your whole life you were the good guy.
Some serial killers die of old age in their homes, with their families close by wishing them well. Get over it.
jakemccoy
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I have to imagine the filmmakers tried it out in some manner before making the movie.
Nosidda Zneas
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well it's only fitting to have a pic of the gun since we're talking about it
pizzagunner spot on!
bobmcd
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For what it's worth, in the book, he was shooting #10 birdshot so as not to blow out the windows out behind the target. IIRC, he actually explains this fact to the (slowly dying) victim.
Not sure if this makes a difference to the problem of suppressing the noise of the shot, but (in the book) the shooter was trying to take out the target without causing a noticeable fuss among the bystanders.
Not sure if this makes a difference to the problem of suppressing the noise of the shot, but (in the book) the shooter was trying to take out the target without causing a noticeable fuss among the bystanders.
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