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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by blackbearaddict, May 8, 2009.

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  1. blackbearaddict

    blackbearaddict Member

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    first of all, i need some advice on what to put in a small survival pack

    also, im trying to figure out to wrap up my parachute cord so in doesnt come off the end

    thanks, addict
     
  2. bigfatdave

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    Wrap the end in electrical tape, and then wrap the desired cut point in tape BEFORE cutting in the future.

    As to what to put in a survival pack, good luck, like any firearm, it is an exercise in compromises. I would say you need (as a start)

    Defensive sidearm (plus ammo/holster/very basic maintenance stuff)
    Some basic tools (SAK & locking pliers would be a good start)
    Change of clothes (triple socks)
    Mobile phone (prepaid)
    Cord
    A dozen real carabiners
    Tarp and/or tent (matters on climate)
    Matches and lighter (maybe a firesteel?)
    Fuel/tinder for starting fire on the first try
    Utility gloves
    First Aid kit (commercial plus your own picks)
    Food (long-lasting commercial)
    Water (refillable bottles plus a collapsible container/cubetainer)
    Water filter/purification (both, they aren't heavy)
    Some large bandannas (very versatile!)
    Flashlight, batteries, and backup light/batteries
    Cash
    Bag to carry everything
    Bag to carry anything else inside the main bag


    That would be a good start, not duplicate that bag for every family member, and keep one in every vehicle/dwelling/workplace and you should be good to go.
     
  3. Jmurman

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    paracord can be tied up with a flame.

    small survival packs can be for overnight, 72 hours etc. You need to define what you're looking for and then start figuring out what you'll need to get through that time period.
     
  4. Ed Ames

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    I think the H&R/NEF 20ga is great for survival packs. You can break it down into a fairly compact package which could in fact be held together with paracord.

    Many prefer pistols. My main thought is to minimize the resource lock-up. $120 in your survival pack is better than $400.
     
  5. RatDrall

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    In my 72 hr bag (Maxpedition Versapack) I have the following:

    *Contents revised last night, after further consideration, and reposted below along with pics*

    I also have a water bottle with a carry strap with the pack, but not in it. I had a bigger pack with more stuff in it (spare clothes, more food, more water etc.) but simplified everything after I actually tried hiking with the load. My current pack is small, comfortable, and only weighs a couple of pounds. It has everything I need to make it a few days (or hike home from work if I have to) without weighing me down. With the Versapack on one hip and the water on the other, it balances nicely without slowing me down at all.

    Whatever you decide to pack, be sure to test it with an actual hike. The best way to learn is to go camping, with friends, and try to survive with only what you have on you. That way, if things go poorly, you can mooch off of them and not ruin your weekend.
     
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  6. Phydeaux642

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    I picked a book by Cody Lundin called "98.6 Degrees: The Art of Keeping Your Ass Alive!" which seems to have some good ideas about a survival kit. It doesn't include a firearm, but the rest of it makes a lot of sense. I would add a small handgun with ammo and call it good.
     
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  7. Ed Ames

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    What's the deal with all the non-firearm stuff in these lists?

    I would add to the 20ga a box of birdshot and 5 or so slugs.

    A pistol should have over 30rds of ammo, preferably in rattle-free magazines or speed loaders.

    A revolver makes a lot of sense but 'accurate' is the watchword.
     
  8. duckman007

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    If you Google "bug out bag" you will get a ton of information, including information on several pre-assembled kits. While this may not be exactly what you are looking for, it may give you a idea of some of the things people recommend for survival, camping, or SHTF situations. Some even come with compartments for ammo and a handgun. As far as a firearm is concerned, I have a AR-7 that's compact and makes a good small game hunting weapon. It was basically designed just for this purpose.

    Some additional information:

    Here is a link on sterilizing water using PET bottles, if you're interested.

    http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/004261.html

    There has been some concern over the PET bottles leaching chemicals, but from what I've read, it appears that the dangers are very minimal or even non-existent based on some reports. I recommend researching it yourself if you're concerned.

    Also, here's another link on making a refrigerator out of clay pots.

    http://www.roadjunky.com/article/1672/the-clay-pot-fridge-is-a-boon-for-the-third-world-and-travelers-in-the-sticks

    Again, this may not be exactly what you're asking for information on, but maybe you or someone else can make use of it hopefully.
     
  9. Phydeaux642

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    Because he asked about survival packs. Surely, THR hasn't become so narrowly focused that firearms, and only firearms, can be mentioned answering a question about survival packs.
     
  10. Ed Ames

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    Just seems like asking that on a gun/RKBA forum would imply a gun/RKBA answer expectation. You can get non-gun survival pack info from 1000 more credible sources.
     
  11. RatDrall

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    Survival doesn't usually involve fighting hordes of ninja zombie bears.

    I'd bet that water, shelter and fire would be more important than a 7 lb rifle with 10 lbs of ammunition in a non-fantasy survival situation.

    A lot of gunnies are in horrible shape and have trouble walking to the 100 yard mark at the range, much less hike into the woods carrying a battle rifle and huge pack full of gear that they think they need. Heaps of expensive gear looks cool but a lot of things aren't likely to be needed and will only weigh a guy down.

    I'm more worried about ripping my pants and having to hike home in a loin cloth, or something like that, than I am about getting into gun fights. Although, I bet I could whip up a cool thong with some 550 cord and a bandana....
     
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    Whoa, dude, TMI TMI!!!
     
  13. Ed Ames

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    Exactly my point..."gunnies" are not as a rule survival experts and the unifying interest isn't survival but a particular tool which can be used for survival about the way a hammer can be used to plant corn.

    Since the original poster knows all of that and included that knowledge in their decision to post here, it seems reasonable to assume they wanted info on the tools we are most likely to be familiar with: guns.

    I think a .32 H&R magnum or .327 mag would be ideal as a survival pack (kit) gun if you were looking at a revolver, provided you could count on decent (1" at 15 yards worst case, 1" at 25 yards would be better) accuracy.

    It's a real shame nobody makes an equivalent of the H&R handi guns in pistol form. Cheap, accurate, light, small single shots would be really nice to stash in your survival pack. Unfortunately the anti "saturday night special" BS probably means manufacturers don't want to touch that market.
     
  14. blackbearaddict

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    thanks for all the help
    im goin to be just using a tiny little pack about 7x4x1 inches for emergencies
    and of course i just have to have my .357 with me :D
     
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    http://www.outdoorsafe.com/kits.htm

    I went to a siminar last weekend put on buy this guy. I thought I knew a fair amount about survival. This dude was a airforce sere instructor, ran the air-force survival academy in colorado, Artic survival school in Alaska, and jungle survival school in the Phillipines. Most interesting 8 hour class I have ever attended.
     
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    Hi-Standard Model 'B' 4 inch, two extra Magazines ( charged ), two 100 ct Boxes of St'd Velocity Cartridges...

    Sharp, long 'Coltsfoot' Handle Hatchet

    One Carton of Lucky Strikes, one of Pall Malls.

    One Box 'Strike Anywhere' Kitchen Matches ( in Zip Lock Bags ) and four small 'Bic' Lighters.

    College Ruled, Sprial Bound Notebook, Pens and Pencils.

    Binoculars


    Bunch of in-a-pouch thin Milar Poncho-Blanket things...ahandfull of chemical 'Hand Warmers'...couple rolls of 'Charmin'...

    100 feet of stout small diameter Cord

    Small Kit of medical suppies - basic Bandages, tournequette, antiseptics, Sulfas, Peroxide, Salt, Suture packs, Clamps/Haemostats, Tweezers, Magnifying Glass...pakages of dry Electrolytes.

    Sauce Pan, 'Tin' Cups...clean Socks...Sunglasses...Cello-Pack Forks and Spoons...

    Spam, canned Sardines, canned Beans, canned Tomatoes, canned ground Coffee, canned Milk...Box of Soda Crackers.

    WWII GI Knife and Sheath...

    Flashlight...


    About like a smaller-medium 'Carry On' Luggage...
     
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    RatDrall,

    Survival doesn't mean fighting zombie hordes, but it would be nice to get some rabbits or squirrels for dinner. Don't need the 7 lb deer rifle, but certainly a good old Glenfield Model 60 .22 rifle is in order. At the least I would include a .357 pistol - use the .38's for rabbit hunting; the .357's for protection.
     
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    Gerber or Leatherman, depending on your preference. I carry one to work and use it several times a day, now I would be lost without it.

    A small pack of baby wipes would also be handy, sounds strange, but being able to wipe the crud off your face and neck when/if you stop for a break is priceless, if your worried about the scent, they also make scent free ones.

    Extra boot or shoe laces, ever broke one? Or you can use them as a lanyard for your pistol, or lashing some sticks together to carry etc..
     
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    One forty-five caliber automatic
    Two boxes of ammunition
    Four days' concentrated emergency rations
    One drug issue containing antibiotics, morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills
    One miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible
    One hundred dollars in rubles
    One hundred dollars in gold
    Nine packs of chewing gum
    One issue of prophylactics
    Three lipsticks
    Three pair of nylon stockings

    If it was good enough for Slim Pickins, it is good enough for me.

    Edit: A Link for those of you too young to understand my reference to Slim Pickins. He is the speaker in this Youtube clip from the 1964 movie "Dr Strangelove." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5qqfsQGYus
     
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    +1 on the Field and Stream altoids tin kit, I made one and carry it when hiking, out here a snowstorm can happen at any time...
     
  23. Oyeboten

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    Hi 545days,


    You'd mentioned -




    Well...I'm definitely revising and up-dating my Kit..!



    "Heeeeeeeeeeeeee-Hawwwwwww!"
     
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    545days you beat me to it.
     
  25. RatDrall

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    My "zombie ninja bear" comment wasn't aimed at anyone in this thread, just most threads in general on gun boards with the word "survival" in them.

    A 72 hour bag isn't for TEOTWAWKI where you have to live forever off of what you have. You can go 72 hours with very little food. I see my bag being used only if something happened and I had to walk home from work or camp out somehwere for a night because I'm stranded.

    I assume that anyone on this forum probably carries a sidearm and a reload. I didn't mention the Sig or the spare magazine, or the sheath knife and 'hawk, because I don't keep them in my 72 hour bag and they're only on the list because I am used to using them outdoors, and aren't universally required survival items.

    I did add a 25 round box of ammunition and a 3 pack of camp candles to my bag(I triple bagged the candles to see if they'll melt in my car this summer).

    Here is all the stuff inside of my Versapack (minus the 'hawk and water bottle) after further consideration last night:

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    From the lower left, going right:

    First Row
    - 20' nylon strapping with a dozen safety pins
    - 2 patches with a few needles and lots of thread
    - Pocket knife sharpener
    - Compass
    - First aid kit
    Second Row
    - 3 camp candles
    - Streamlight Twintask light and spare batteries
    - Pocket rain poncho
    - 2x 50' 550 cord
    - Bandana
    - Rat Cutlery Izula (I can't recommend this knife more as a tiny knife that can do big things outdoors)
    Third Row
    - Strike anywhere matches in waterproof case
    - 2x emergency blankets
    - 25 rounds of ammo
    - Spare magazine
    Crap that doesn't go in the bag
    - Rat Cutlery RC-3
    - CS Trail Hawk
    - 27 oz canteen with shoulder strap

    I need to buy a new firesteel, I have no idea where my old one went. I also seem to be missing my water purification tablets and I must have eaten my power bars. At least I still have some room in there.
     
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