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SWAT team called in for a man with 200 LEGAL guns.. Yes- the SWAT was called in...

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  1. Yohan

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    http://www.tampatrib.com/MGAIJ98DBCD.html

    TAMPA - Some were shooed from their homes by sheriff's deputies; others just came outside to see what was going on. After all, it was hard to miss the big green armored personnel carrier and SWAT officers in the Northdale subdivision Monday.
    Hillsborough County sheriff's deputies responded to 4021 Braesgate Lane after two bank agents foreclosing on the house saw numerous firearms and explosives inside. After six hours, deputies determined that the resident, Robert Walters, 46, is an avid gun collector.

    They also determined that his cache - about 200 guns and some inactive hand grenades - is all legal.

    But they didn't know all that just before noon, when deputies evacuated 15 homes on Braesgate and called in the emergency response team. Deputies dressed in SWAT gear carrying MP5 rifles walked the usually quiet streets as residents looked on from front yards and street corners.

    On a normal weekday, most residents would be at work or school, but because of the Presidents Day holiday most were home, and it was anything but normal.

    ``There was a sniper guy in our front yard,'' said a young boy who was watching the activity after he was evacuated from his home.

    Eli White wasn't evacuated but came outside when the response team gathered near his home.

    ``We've been here 22 years and we have never seen anything like this. It's nice to know there is a response mechanism that can respond to something like this,'' White said as the armored personnel carrier drove by.

    Many residents brought out cameras and video recorders to capture the incident that started just after 11 a.m. Monday when one of the bank agents who had been sent to the home Friday to change the locks decided to report his find. The man told deputies he saw numerous guns, ammunition and explosives when he went inside Friday, said Chief Deputy David Gee. He also saw boxes of canned goods. But he didn't report his find until Monday when he drove by and saw a car that was not there Friday. When deputies arrived, they did not know whether Walters or anyone else was inside, so they used the armored personnel carrier and a bullhorn.

    ``Robert Walters, pick up the phone or come to the door and talk to us,'' an emergency response team deputy called out. ``If we find out everything is OK, we're going to be on our way.''

    After no response for several hours, he changed his plea.

    ``Come on out so we can resolve this. There are no charges pending. We've got other things to do. We need to get going.''

    About 4:45 p.m. deputies found Walters through relatives. He was not in the home. Walters then told deputies they could search the home, because he didn't have anything illegal.

    He was right, said sheriff's spokeswoman Debbie Carter. The guns, inactive hand grenade and an inactive mortar are all allowed. No charges were filed.

    Walters bought the home in 1977, property records show. It was foreclosed upon in January by Chase Mortgage Services, court records show. Walters also owes $26,100 in county code violations for junked cars.

    Few neighbors had ever seen Walters, but one said she had seen him drive his 1979 brown Cadillac down the driveway to his mailbox, then drive the car back up the driveway.

    Others said he is polite, but not talkative.

    ``He doesn't really talk to anybody,'' said neighbor James Provost. ``He's kind of the reclusive type.''

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  2. pax

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    We live in a police state.

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  3. Airwolf

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    The man told deputies he saw numerous guns, ammunition and explosives (huh?)when he went inside Friday, said Chief Deputy David Gee. He also saw boxes of canned goods


    ....and the idiot thought "survivalist/militia/gun-nut", I'll bet and pushed the panic button.

    No wonder many of us who own guns keep a low profile. Crap like this always reinforces my instincts to keep off EVERYONE’S radar as much as possible.
     
  4. Average Guy

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    Yes, Mr. White, I agree: It's nice to know that there is a response mechanism that can deploy overwhelming force at the request of a couple of panicky bank agents.

    Of course it begs the question: With that many guns, why was he being foreclosed on? gunbroker.com, boy! :D
     
  5. DeltaElite

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    Sad, very sad.
    I would have just knocked on the front door.
    SWAT is way overused, but if you have the toys, you have to find a reason to use them. :(
     
  6. Redlg155

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    Translated into..." This is Monday and a Holiday. No donut shops are open today so we gotta find some grub". :D

    Good Shooting
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  7. Drjones

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    Your papers, citizen....

    This is for your own good....trust me......

    Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.....

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  8. DeltaElite

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    They should have tried, "Open the dang door, or we are ordering pizza and wings for 100 cops and billing it to you." :D
     
  9. Schuey2002

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    This country is going to HECK [must.. refrain.. from.. using.. expletives!!] in a hand basket..:banghead:

    :cuss: :cuss:
     
  10. Wayne D

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    That can used against someone who has broken no laws?:rolleyes:
     
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    We're never going to get rid of this kind of crap until SWAT teams get outlawed. They should have been outlawed 20 years ago.
     
  12. QuickDraw

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    Sheesh,the most shocking thing to me is the cops didn't
    confiscate the guns.The other thing is the bank guy was there
    Friday and saw all the goodies and didn't do anything,waited
    2 days!:confused:

    QuickDraw
     
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    Translation: This is an irrelevant quote, but we had to add it because it demonstrates he's a "loner" and may go on a shooting spree, so calling SWAT was justifiable. BAN GUNS NOW!
     
  14. TarpleyG

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    But one of the better police states to live in...

    GT
     
  15. Kahr carrier

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    ONE WORD PARANOID.:rolleyes:
     
  16. Ian

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    Pax nailed it. Wilkommen, komraden.
     
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    Then why did they send a SWAT team? :confused:
     
  18. NIGHTWATCH

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    Kudos to the SWAT TEAM for their patience. This team was obviously pro-gun rights to me, unlike any BATF team that might have come his way. :cool:
     
  19. hammer4nc

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    I'd like to hear the story behind this one...how exactly does one rack up $26k in code violations? Most court orders for this type of thing specify $100 per day until the violation is rectified. Thats like $100 x 9 months!

    Sad, a man losing a home he's owned for 25 years. Legal or illegal, now that his gun collection has been publicized, I'll bet a county clerk tries to seize them as payment for the legal judgement...at least they would around these parts.
     
  20. BlackArrow

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    Hummmmmmmmmm...

    "dressed in SWAT gear carrying MP5 rifles". Notice that the MP5 is called a rifle. If you were carrying the semiauto version it would be called an assault weapon.:cuss: It's just happy day in suburbia boys and girls. I guess the guys lucky our local swat team wasn't there. They probably would have leveled the house with gunfire, killed a few bystanders and called it collateral damage. Consider the source, a banker. Wonder if he thought (or in fact did) about removing some of the toys over the weekend?
    Hummmmmmmmmmmm
    The loner line is the one they always use to describe the guy on the roof with the Mauser so who knows, maybe this story isn't over yet.
     
  21. twoblink

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    So what are they saying now? Stocking up on canned goods because Von's is having a sale on Spaghetti-O's is illegal now??

    SWAT was called, cost the city an easy $10,000 for NOTHING..

    200 guns? That's just a THR get-together that includes Tamara, that's all!!
     
  22. Autolite

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    LET'S GIVE THE COPS A BREAK !!!

    I mean, the man was driving a '79 Brown Cadillac. I am certain that he was in violation of numerous 'good taste' laws ...
     
  23. megatronrules

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    I hate to say this but why do you they always call 90 cops for one guy? A little off topic but makes you think....
    Also I noticed the police becoming more and more militarized.(sp)?
    They call us "civilians". They are not active military personel, are they not "civilians" as well?
    I have nothing against LEO's. I just wonder about these things.
     
  24. CZ-75

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    This sounds like a reason to regulate the sale, use, and storage of canned goods.

    I propose "common sense" legislation that would limit purchases of canned goods to 5 per shopping trip (2 trips maximum per day), but only after filling out an application and receiving a "permit to purchase canned goods," after paying a fee and going through a 10-day "cooling off" period.

    No one may have more than 30 cans at a time and they must be stored in DOCG (Dept. of Canned Goods) approved pantry, subject to inspection by DOCG agents with 24 hours written notice, unless a warrant has been authorized.

    All can openers must have can opener locks installed and funds will be allocated to fund the study and implementation of "smart" can openor technology within 3 years.

    All cans must be transported in the trunk of the vehicle and not be carried concealed in brown paper bags or other opaque containers, but in clear plastic bags approved by the DOCG.

    :rolleyes: :D
     
  25. El Tejon

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    26K in fines?!?!:what: Why not just send in the city attorney with a sheriff's sale order and take his guns that way?:D
     
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