SWAT team called in for a man with 200 LEGAL guns.. Yes- the SWAT was called in...

[Carbon_15]

Also I noticed the police becoming more and more militarized.(sp)?

C.itizens O.n P.atrol

 

[Standing Wolf]

<sarcasm> Well, thank heaven those guns didn't start committing crimes all at once! </sarcasm>

 

[vulcan]

CZ-75,
I believe one of Klinton's excutive orders prohibits the hoarding/stockpiling of food in times of emergency

The sheeples were happy to see a APC rolling down their neighborhood to take care of police business? If I saw that in my neighborhood, my underwear would have went to condition brown

DeltaElite,
you're right about that, If all you have is a hammer
everything starts to look like a nail

 

[geegee]

You guys must have missed this:

Others said he is polite, but not talkative.

Sounds like "probable cause" to me. geegee (No relation to Chief Gee)

 

[No4Mk1*]

Does having the grenade allow police to obtain a warrant to search the home? How about 200 guns?

 

[geegee]

Search? Perhaps. But call for the SWAT Team and an APC? geegee

 

[4thHorseman]

You can just visualize the local news camera crew getting everyone worked up into a frenzy, then when they found out everything was legal, the best spin they could put on it was fines for junk cars. If it was so sad it would be funny.

 

[Country Boy]

It isn't SWAT's fault that they were called up. When they're asked to do a job, I would guess that they would do it to the best of their ability. Somebody at a higher pay grade made a poor decision to make a mountain out of a molehill.

He also saw boxes of canned goods.

[sarcasm] Well thank goodness they didn't raid the local Food Pantry by mistake, there certainly would have been casualties. [/sarcasm]

Didn't Tom Ridge just tell us to stock up on items like canned goods? The man was just doing his patriotic duty.

 

[seeker_two]

One word never used in this story....

Warrant.

About 4:45 p.m. deputies found Walters through relatives. He was not in the home.

Talk about a lack of reconnisance...

 

[El Rojo]

You don't need a warrant if the home is owned by the bank and the bank wants you to check on their house. They were changing the locks because the guy no longer owns the house. Well no one got hurt and they all looked pretty silly. Maybe next time they will just knock on the front door. I am sure Eli is laughing his butt off right now.

 

[sixgun_symphony]

I think everyone is too focused on the guns when they should be looking at the unpaid bills, fines for junked cars in the front yard, and other odd behavior.

The guy is an obvious crank. He could have been paying off the bank loan rather than buying so many guns and junked cars.

 

[jbutenhoff]

Read the story!

He didn't owe the bank jack! He owed the fines for the junk cars...


Also, I bet that with the right lawyer he could sue the police and the bankers that turned him in for defamation of character and a bunch of other stuff!

Jamie

 

[wQuay]

One word never used in this story.... Warrant.

Under the Patriot Act, they don't need a warrant unless you're at the door and refuse to let them enter.

 

[JohnBT]

Okay, I read the article. What's all the ranting and raving about?

The employees go by on Friday to change the locks after the foreclosure.

"It was foreclosed upon in January by Chase Mortgage Services, court records show. Walters also owes $26,100 in county code violations for junked cars."

Note the reference to the foreclosure AND the county code violations.

On Monday, MONDAY, one of the guys employed by the NEW owner drives by and sees a car there - so he thinks maybe somebody is in the house who doesn't belong there. Then he reports it and mentions the guns, etc. Sounds like a reasonable thing to do - looking out for the interests of your employer.

The mortgage company owns the house and has had the locks changed. Could be that's why the previous owner wasn't in the house

The police don't know who is, or isn't, in the house that the mortgage company owns.

I agree - the previous owner should have paid his bills on time.

John

 

[MrAcheson]

I'm with you JohnBT.

The cops were called because someone thought Walters was a dangerous survivalist. Lets face it he does fit the stereotype of single introverted white male with guns, ammo, explosives, and rations strewn about his home.

Knowing what they did, the police reacted with appropriate force for the threat. A single uniformed officer, for instance, would have been a dead man had Walters been the threat they thought he was. Might as well have sent a girl scout armed with cookies.

Lock the %&*$# guns up moron! We're very lucky some thug didn't use his collection to supply the black market with guns for a month.

 

[DMK]

Lesson learned

Another good reason not to store guns and ammo (and food!?) in an openly visable mannor.

 

[Carbon_15]

he does fit the stereotype of single introverted white male with guns, ammo, explosives, and rations strewn about his home

OMG SO do I!
Just made a quick look. On my living room floor there is one shotgun, one .38 snubbie, and one 9mm waiting to be cleaned, Half a case of MRE's left over from a recent camping trip, A WWII muset bag that I found yesterday at a pawnshop, A current USGI gas mask that a friend was playing around with last night and left laying out, a new PASGT helmet that a friend gave me a few days ago as a curio, 8 lbs of BlueDot and a few thousand primers that UPS just delivered and several large knives that I didn't get through sharpening before I went to bed. And that just the living room. Planing an invasion, or just procrastinating with cleaning up?

The nice thing about being single again is that you don't always have to put your toys away imediatly...thats also one of the bad things about being single.

 

[Tamara]

"We've been here 22 years and we have never seen anything like this. It's nice to know there is a response mechanism that can respond to something like this,'' White said as the armored personnel carrier drove by.

Open 1984. Read the last sentence. Sleep well.

 

[JohnBT]

Tamara -

What's the problem with the police responding to the owner's request to secure the house?

Mortgage company = OWNER.

Well, let's look at the situation. If I were a police officer told to check out a house containing numerous firearms and grenades(they didn't know they were inactive grenades at this point)

...and that house was OWNED by a mortgage company that recently repossessed it

...and the owner's representative asked to have the house checked

...and there was the possibility the FORMER owner had broken into the house he NO LONGER OWNED

...would I want some armor?

Yup. Seems reasonable to me, unless you live in Mayberry R.F.D.

YMMV, but better safe than sorry seems prudent.

But I'm still amazed so many people can't read carefully for content and repeatedly refer to the former owner of the house as the owner of the house. He is the former owner.

John

 

[12.7x99mm]

I bet some of these guys were jacked up just wanting to get in fire fight or to beat some heads in.

Like someone said if they have the toys they will want to use them.

 

[El Rojo]

I bet some of these guys were jacked up just wanting to get in fire fight or to beat some heads in.

Is that why they waited a few hours before they changed their tactics and said, "Come on out so we can resolve this. There are no charges pending. We've got other things to do. We need to get going.'' Yeah sounds like guys who want to get in a fire fight.

I do find JohnBT's statments to be the most accurate. If you had a guy that was heavily armed, back in the house he just got kicked out of because he doesn't own in any longer, you might not want to go dee-daddling up there to see if he is home. Some people might want to and that might work too. I think the whole thing worked out fine. No one got hurt, the cops got to do a little training for what they do for the majority of their call-outs, sit around waiting and observing and ending the situation peacefully.

I just hope the guy gets all his guns back. If not I want to know when the auction is!!!

 

[Tamara]

JohnBT,

What's the problem with the police responding to the owner's request to secure the house?

Where did I say I had a problem with that?

What I commented on was Citizen Unit 50375124's joy at seeing the 3rd ACR roll down his street.

 

[GAMALOT]

Great Story, now the entire neighborhood knows the guy has lots of guns in there. I expect the following days paper to read,
" Gun collector robbed of entire collection of guns, Police fear weapons have fallen into criminal hands"
It's a good thing the house was being repoed because it is deffinately time to move!:banghead:

 

[CZ-75]

What I commented on was Citizen Unit 50375124's joy at seeing the 3rd ACR roll down his street.

The Unknown Citizen

(To JS/07/M/378 This Marble Monument Is Erected by the State)

He was found by the Bureau of Statistics to be
One against whom there was no official complaint,
And all the reports on his conduct agree
That, in the modern sense of an old-fashioned word, he was a saint,
For in everything he did he served the Greater Community.
Except for the War till the day he retired
He worked in a factory and never got fired,
But satisfied his employers, Fudge Motors Inc.
Yet he wasn't a scab or odd in his views,
For his Union reports that he paid his dues,
(Our report on his Union shows it was sound)
And our Social Psychology workers found
That he was popular with his mates and liked a drink.
The Press are convinced that he bought a paper every day
And that his reactions to advertisements were normal in every way.
Policies taken out in his name prove that he was fully insured,
And his Health-card shows he was once in hospital but left it cured.
Both Producers Research and High-Grade Living declare
He was fully sensible to the advantages of the Installment Plan
And had everything necessary to the Modern Man,
A phonograph, a radio, a car and a frigidaire.
Our researchers into Public Opinion are content
That he held the proper opinions for he time of year;
When there was peace, he was for peace; when there was war, he went.
He was married and added five children to the population,
Which our Eugenist says was the right number for a parent of his generation.
And our teachers report that he never interfered with their education.
Was he free? Was he happy? The question is absurd:
Had anything been wrong, we should certainly have heard.

-- W. H. Auden

 

[Zundfolge]

Okay, I feel silly ... I read the story and got all excited because I thought the guy's name was Robert Waters (not Walters) ... I figured it was just typical police state tactics against someone who would dare speak out in defense of the constitution.


https://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcInfoBase.asp?CatID=177


Instead its just typical police state tactics against joe average citizen.