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(Swiss) Army weapons "kill 300 people a year" (Mostly Suicides)

Discussion in 'Legal' started by davec, Dec 16, 2006.

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  1. davec

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    http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/front/...l?siteSect=105&sid=7357024&cKey=1166289493000

     
  2. Manedwolf

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    Looks like their anti lobby is trying to find the clippers...to neuter them like the rest of the EU.

    Oh well. I HAD thought that at least Switzerland would escape dhimmitude in the coming European Caliphate.

    Maybe not.
     
  3. Cosmoline

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    Why is suicide any of the government's business? There's a disturbing Orwellian overtone in the notion that the state should take guns from people to make it harder for them to kill themselves.
     
  4. SamTuckerMTNMAN

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    my gosh

    articles like this are so sick...these writers drip their agenda and bias like puss from oozing herpes blisters on the b*lls of the sick tyrants who are pulling the heart strings of the clueless gullible public.......

    ugh. Where are the good men and women who think about what drives their emotions, can they observe and critique? Can they swallow the bitter pill that is reality, the fact that some things are bad but alternatives are FAR worse.

    Switzerland, for the sake of your country, drive these basta*** out of your beautiful nation!!!
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  5. telomerase

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    Are they implying that murders and suicides would be reduced if...

    Oh, never mind.
     
  6. Soybomb

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    I've never understood why people get worked up about the method someone uses for suicide. Or for that matter why they assume someone willing to shoot their spouse wouldn't strangle or knife them.

    I don't know if we have any swiss readers here, but if so what are your carry laws like? I've seen things that imply they got alot tighter about 10 years ago. If so, was that brought on by some event?
     
  7. Kentak

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    It's the government's guns the article is talking about. So, I guess they figure they can take their guns back if they want to.
     
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    That's for me to know and not you!
    Yeah that's what I am wondering. I mean whats the point in killing yourself, you live in swizterland you got ISSUED a rifle and 50 rounds of free ammo, hell life is pretty damn good.

    A little more politically oriented suicide is not the governments business its a personal decision if your life sucks or you think it sucks and you dont want to be part of it anymore then go ahead and end it.

    Back on topic though, the article does ooze of anti-gun slime, I think however that the Swiss have an excellent system.

    300 per year? Honestly thats not really not bad, hippies are always trying to save everyone.
     
  9. LAR-15

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    So Swissland will go the way of the EU in terms of gun control.

    How sad. :(
     
  10. LAK

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    I would suggest that these few (for now) killings and suicides are the net results of the cultural and political destruction of Switzerland as a nation. Just the beginning manifestations of their cultural and political homogenization with Europa. The guns used are superfluous, and I am sure that the change agents like comrade Killias know that.

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  11. Prince Yamato

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    50 rounds of ammo for emergency defense? Cripes, that's not even 2 AK mags.
     
  12. K-Romulus

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    another BS sound bite

    I was just arguing with my wife about Switzerland. She heard an NPR story that made it sound like the Swiss are about to become the next Rwanda re:domestic homicides.

    I tried to tell her that the high stats (i.e., "every other Swiss homicide = domestic violence based") is overblown because of the already low Swiss homicide rate (one that beats the UK/CAN/AUS and every gun control country in Europe, much less the whole planet).
     
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    Does anyone know what rifle the Swiss issue its citizens to keep at home?
     
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    I think it's the Sig 550 series, but I could be wrong.
     
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    The man who killed the 14 people was not, repeat not, in the Swiss army. You'll notice the article just mentions that story without connecting it to the army.
    They had an initiative vote a few years ago to abolish the army. It failed, but there are both anti-gun and anti-army organizations in Switzerland.

    I think with the end of the Cold War and the fact that it's been sixty years since there was a hostile power nearby, they are starting to forget the reason they have an army.

    They are also moving towards joining the EU, or at least synchronizing their laws.
     
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    Personally, I think the author of this piece isn't really representative of most of the people in Switzerland. From what I've seen of the Swiss, they take pride in being different from the rest of Europe. Their kind of quirky about a lot of things, but tradition is VERY important to them. And they value their defensible neutrality very highly.
     
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    My first visual was that of swiss people slicing open the ol' wrist with swiss army knives...
     
  19. Rem700SD

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    The Swiss definately need more ammo...

    Have they looked into actually treating the CAUSE or circumstances of the suicides?(HINT: it's not the guns...)

    Dan
     
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    My understanding is that the 50 rounds is emergency only. Most soldiers have far more than that and is sold OTC at ranges throughout Switzerland.

    So, the murderers cannot kill with kitchen knives or privately owned guns, just with government guns? Suicidal people cannot use drugs or gravity to kill themselves? There are no tall buildings or bridges in all of Switzerland?:rolleyes:

    The Swiss use the StG 90 (SIG 551).

    Same inane arguments different country.
     
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    Yep. The 50 rounds is to be used in case of invasion (or some other such thing) so that the militiaman can join up with the rest of his people, at which point he'll be issued much more ammo.
     
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    Whenever an anti-gunner brings up that most suicides in America are committed by using a gun and they claim that if there was no gun that they would not have killed themselves, I always point out Japan!!!
    Japan has almost no gun ownership and absolutley no private handgun ownership, yet they have a higher suicide rate in Japan than we do in the US!
    The lack of a handgun or a rifle will not stop someone who wants to kill themselves.
     
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    If there are people unhappy enough and down enough to off themselves, but are restricted from doing it by government mandate, wouldn't it be just as logical that other indicies go up because instead of shooting themselves, they drink themselves into a stupor and drive their car??

    So what is really gained? Let's severely impact our traditional defense posture because (a small small small minority) of people that don't want to live anymore choose not too...

    yeah, that makes sense. :uhoh:
     
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    Breaking news, this just in!!!

    Switzerland has just announced that over 20,000 people a year cut themselves with Swiss Army Knives. An as-yet uncounted but expected to be enormous number also inflict paper cuts on themselves handling government forms.

    Reactions by the anti knife and paperwork lobbies are expected to be forthcoming with recommendations later this week.

    We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
     
  25. Manedwolf

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    The preferred method there seems to be stepping in front of trains at the last moment.

    If someone wants to off themselves, they will. What would you do, there? Ban trains?
     
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