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Swiss banning most military ammo in private houses

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Jdude, Nov 1, 2007.

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  1. Jdude

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    http://www.tdg.ch/pages/home/tribune_de_geneve/english_corner/news/news_detail/(contenu)/96815

    What's going on over there? What does this say about the future of Swiss arms ownership, and how does it apply to the States?
     
  2. nobby

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    OK. They have to returned their ISSUED ammo but get to KEEP their weapons after they leave the service. What's the fricking problem? I would love to have kept my weapon after leaving the USAF. And no, my weapon wasn't a pencil or a johnson bar.

    They can still purchase commercial ammo.
     
  3. Chipperman

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    This says nothing about non-military ammo.
     
  4. Ron James

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    The world turns, these are different times. Not in my lifetime or prehaps even in yours, but all handguns will be banned in the United States. You can rant and rave, bury them in ammo boxes or what ever, but the time will come.:banghead:
     
  5. devilc

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    We are defeatists here, aren't we? :)
     
  6. El Tejon

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    Ron, we try not to rant and rave here. That's why we organize and fight for our future.:)


    Jdude, I think your thread title is misleading.

    What does it say about the Swiss? That they are infested with blissninnies just as we are.:D
     
  7. Cosmoline

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    The last bastion of liberty in Europe is falling? It looks like the EU Socialists are doing to Switzerland what the Kaiser and Hitler never could. While not all the Swiss have been drinking the Koolaide, the signs don't look good at all.

    I hope someone from Switzerland gets on here and clarifies. Much may have been lost in translation. IIRC there is a box or two of ammo that can ONLY be opened in case of national emergency which is kept in reserve at home. This isn't personal ammo but it belongs to the state. I don't know if they're talking about just this stuff, or any ammo for the military weapons.
     
  8. Jdude

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    Thread title fixed, thanks for pointing that out guys. Sounded clear when I said it in my head :p
     
  9. ProficientRifleman

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    Ron, why don't you go ahead and turn YOUR'S in now. I have just decided that YOU don't need to have handguns.

    PR
     
  10. Jdude

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    Back on topic...

    The final paragraph in the article says:
    Seems that the blissninnys have won this round in Switzerland. I wonder if they would be willing to take our assistance in building a list of things we believe are capable of being used as weapons? Pencils, plates, babies, automobiles, ovens and so on. All of these things have been used one time or another as weapons. I am curious how this will play out.
     
  11. Slugless

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    :what::what::what:

    It gets worse. Far worse. I know a Swiss guy and guess what he said?

    They are considering abolishing their entire military.

    :what::what::what:

    Talk about no sense of history and demographics. What a legacy to leave your great grandchildren. They'll be reduced to rolling rocks down on the same peoples who laid siege to Austria, conquered Spain, conquered Paris suburbs and more.
     
  12. Cosmoline

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    Well why not? Europe is one big happy family now, right? 10,000 years of perpetual conflict have been cured by socialism, and never again will there be ANY threat to the Swiss. Of course, there won't be any Swiss either.
     
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    this is probably just something to shut up the EU for now.
     
  14. Ron James

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    I'm not sure why they called this forum the High Road. I've noticed that if you make a statement of fact that isn't appreciated or gos against the grain then several posters start getting personal and nasty. Wow. Defeatist, I don't think so, I've never quit yet but I also know when to start building an ark. Proficient Rifleman ( nice and humble name) why do you feel I should turn my weapons in now? Just what are your qualifications, just curious. I didn't post that it was a good thing, nor did I post it was the right thing, nor I don't think I posted that it should be done. Why and who are you to say " you've decided I should not have firearms and should turn them in". I posted the the world turns and as it turns things change, attitude changes. lifestyle changes. When I was a 15 year old kid in Florida I purchased a used .22 handgun in a surplus store. No question, no background check, cash and carry, can you do that now? At one time you could buy firearms in the mail. All the gun magazines had pages and pages of ads for hand guns and rifles, can you do that now? I brought a .S&W 357 through the Spiegel Catalog. Came in the mail a week later, can you you do that now? I could go on and on. We who believe in the 2nd amendment are in the minority and unfortunately our group is getting smaller. Simply fact of life , I don't plan of quiting the fight, but I also know sooner or later the war will be lost. Sample statement, My HO. By the way , I'm a Life member of the NRA, have been for 40 years, are you even a member?? Just curious. I also served 26 Years in the army , served in Vietnam , Grenada, Panama, two Purple Hearts and a Bronze star for Valor. I think I've earned the right to express my opinion as long as I do so in a civil manner, or do you disagree with that also? Just curious.
     
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    The man is intitled to his opinion. It may not be the same opinion as mine, but it is his opinion. If we all thought alike, would this not be a very boring forum?

    Carry on and play nice!
     
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    I'm not sure that's a statement of fact. But if I were a betting man I'd bet Ron's right.

    And yes, be nice. It costs nothing.

    In the meantime, if we don't like what we see the Swiss, Brits, Aussies & others are doing that means we have a job to do.

    ??Abolish their entire military??
     
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    I sent the following to my friends in Switzerland. I will post their replys if they reply in a timely manner.

    Erwin,

    What is going on in Switzerland? Have some people from California taken
    over the country?

    How are you guys doing?

    Ron

    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=313462
     
  18. Green Lantern

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    :( :( :( ....

    Well, so long as the Swiss are allowed to buy commercial ammo.

    Some people think "Switzerland" when asked to come up with another country with a responsible, armed populace. I tend to think more of Israel myself. Is it a REQUIREMENT that an armed chaperone go along on school functions in Switzerland?
     
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    I thought it was part of the mobilization strategy that the men kept arms and ammunition at home because any situation where they'd be called for would be so fluid that they'd likely have to fight their way to the rally point. Stupid commies, they're so focused on disarming everyone and creating secret police agencies.

    But yea, it's the leftists at it. Horrible Irony, the USSR fell, as the KGB sponsored groups in western countries gained mainstream popularity. Fricking ridiculous that literal enemies of the state are dictating state policies. History's most successful 5th column, afaic.
     
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    Here is something I have not figured out yet. There seems to be world wide leftists who seem to hold mostly the same ideology. I have yet to see USA classical liberalism or even USA Conservatism as a world wide ideology. Why is this. Am I just wrong. Sure Capitalism is spreading but it is still a lefy type with a large welfare state but I am speaking of the ideas of our Founders. That idea of FREEDOM and LIBERTY seems to be perverted everwhere else even in our own country. I feel like an ant and the world is trying to step on my hill.
     
  21. C. Rabbit

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    Mr. James,
    I would argue gun bans are not inevitable, and invite you to look at some figures from Gallup polls regarding feelings on gun control:
    http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm

    In short, in 1990 41 percent of people wanted to ban handguns. That figure is now 30 percent. Also in 1990, 78 percent of people wanted stricter gun control laws. Now only 51 percent do. Perfect? No, but much improved.

    It has improved because of tireless efforts to support the RKBA. Let's not give up the fight now.

    This example in Switzerland is troubling, as it seems to indicate to me that antis have managed to get a law passed using emotional pleas, as they did in the US in the 1990s. Does anyone know of Swiss gun rights organizations? They may have to get some started if they don't want to cede the legislative field to the antis.

    CR
     
  22. ArmedBear

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    Kim-

    American exceptionalism. It's not BS. It is important, actually, unless there is a widespread classical liberalism movement.

    But it's been that way since 1776.

    Was the French Revolution like ours? The Russian Revolution? Anything south of us?

    Did Europeans ever really outgrow the idea of being subjects, even if they have few kings or emperors left?

    Hell no. I'm the first native-born American in my family, and I will attest: hell no they haven't.
     
  23. strat81

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    ??? I don't think Ron was advocating the prohibition of handguns. He was stating a possibility for the future. Yes, it is bleak, but it is certainly feasible. His latter post illustrates the losses in 2A freedoms over the past ~75 years. We have gone from mail-order guns to registries of machine guns, registration of arms in certain jurisdictions, background checks, licenses, permits, "smart" guns, microstamping, magazine capacity limits, and even outright bans of certain hardware. I'm not stating such laws are effective at reducing crime, but they do exist and they certainly infringe on the RKBA, at least for law-abiding citizens.

    Is the tide turning? Many point to the surge in shall-issue states which IS positive. The sunset of the '94 AWB was also positive. The internet has also been a huge benefit by bringing people together to discuss safety, activism, politics, technique, and hardware. However, the strength the Democrats are showing for the 2008 elections is scary. A case will most likely be heard by SCOTUS re: RKBA in our nation's capital. "Mayors against Illegal Guns" shows no signs (IMHO) of slowing down. And we have a generation of children who really think that the 2A is about hunting and the National Guard.

    Attacking Ron James because his opinion was bleak isn't right.


    But as to the original topic...
    You're right, it doesn't. But, if there's one thing US gun-grabbers have taught me, it's that they'll slowly chip away until there is nothing left.

    Perhaps some Swiss members can tell us about the availability of commercial ammo. Is it hard to get? Is there some kind of registry or licensing system in place to buy it?
     
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    This is probably a result of the Swiss army's success in preventing invasion for so many years. The average Swiss is so comfortable he feels no need for a military organization.

    Pilgrim
     
  25. bulgron

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    If Heller goes our way, they'll have an awfully hard time of banning handguns unless they either repeal the constitution or, at a minimum, repeal the second amendment.

    Could it happen? Sure. If you don't teach your children the importance of RKBA.

    The other side is never going to give up, so we can't either.
     
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