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sword canes?

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by s&w 24, Jan 5, 2003.

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  1. s&w 24

    s&w 24 Member

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    sword canes-tactical tool or mall ninja toy

    I have seen both pro and con articals on sword canes. Some say there just a cheesy import toy that will get you in to instead of out of trouble,others think its the best tool to defend yourself with besides a firearm. What do you think?
     
  2. El Tejon

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    The pj fighting I study emphasizes the "stick" (baton, cane, half staff, and staff over edged weapons) so I'd rather have a cane than a "sword cane." More versitile than an edged weapon and far lower mall ninja factor. YMMV.
     
  3. Don Gwinn

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    A lot of sword canes are cheap junk made by import companies--but that doesn't mean that a sword cane is necessarily cheap imported junk. Some makers make very high quality examples.

    Whether even a high-quality sword cane is worth the price is up to you. I'd probably stick to a cane, but I'm cheap.
     
  4. vertigo7

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    About 10 years ago I worked with an older gentleman who used a sturdy but stylish metal cane to more easily move through the office. I found out years later that it's actually an NFA item: a 1-shot .410 shotgun. The top half unscrewed much like the typical sword cane to reveal the small muzzle. I was never able to find out where he bought it, but I still think it's a neat idea.

    vertigo7
     
  5. Triad

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    I recall reading that Rex Applegate used one he made out of an old sword. Someone attempted to rob him and got a bellyful of steel instead of a handful of cash.
     
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    It's an effective tool *if* you train with it. Otherwise, it is merely a novelty.
     
  7. Kahr carrier

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    They sound cool ,maybe a nice element of surprise.;)
     
  8. s&w 24

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    so that brings us to a second question what qualifys as good training and were would one get said training? I doubt your local dojo will have classes on sword fighting or sword/cane fighting.
     
  9. Byron Quick

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    I recently added an antique sword cane to my collection. Carved ivory tiger head at the top of the cane. Bog oak for the cane. Brass ferrule at the bottom. Circa last quarter of the nineteenth century. The blade is triangular in cross section with a fuller running about three quarters of its length. Personally, I would say that its mall ninja quotient was rather low.

    It's primary purpose to date is as an addition to my collection. I don't carry my Japanese sword either. However, physical woes have forced me to use a cane in the past. If that happens in the future, I will use the cane as a logical adjunct to my carry paraphernalia.
     
  10. Chuck Dye

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    At least one state, California, has made possession of a sword cane a wobbler felony (Penal Code 12020 http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=9631607678+0+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve), so it may pay to do a little research.

    Before anyone launches on California, it is my understanding that the law was written in the late nineteenth century when a variety of weapons were deemed to be of use only to criminals and gangs, hence the felony status, while standard handguns and long arms, if criminalized at all, were deemed misdemeanors - not part of the current hoplophobia, though perhaps predictive.
     
  11. Byron Quick

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    Thanks for the information but I'll never set foot in California.
     
  12. s&w 24

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    sounds like a very nice item Mr. Quick I hope you enjoy your new aquisition
     
  13. Joe Demko

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    The Applegate story as I heard/read it was that he used his well-publicized stick fighting abilities to beat a robber senseless with his cane.
     
  14. SRYnidan

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    A grounding in western fencing is a great start since most sword canes resembe a Epe or Foil. Lots of colleges and YMCA's have fencing clubs although they are getting more rare all the time. Just keep in mind as you study that most of the rules of the salle are not applicable on the street.
     
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    Hapkido will have cane elements which you can also modify for sword cane training.

    I've seen a good sword cane which concealed a long knife rather than a full length blade.

    I've only seen cheap sword canes where the blades are too light and flimsy and have questionable tangs for reliability.

    The triangular blade of Byron Quick sounds like the right ticket.
     
  16. Arikay

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    One thing to watch out for is that even if cane swords are legal in your state. They might be considered a concealed weapon. If your state has concealed weapon laws, it might fall under that.
     
  17. LawDog

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    Burger knives makes the best sword cane I've ever seen.

    Be aware that you'll pay through the sinuses for one, but they're serious weapons.

    While foil or epee fencing might give you a bit of a grounding, a Western Martial Arts group can probably be relied upon to have seminars involving the actual street techniques with a decent sword cane.

    Savate Classique and Savate Dance de Rue salles also have sword cane techniques in their repetoires, but they're both dying arts and as such they're damned difficult to find these days.

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    Bog Oak = class act.

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    I believe you could adapt smallsword techniques for use with sword-canes. Unfortunately finding someone that can teach smallsword is also a problem, but you could try canvasing the local WMA community for someone. In a pinch sport fencing might get you started, but I'm sure it would give you lots of bad habits at the same time.
     
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    One would be advised to get some fencing training for use with the sword cane.

    I'd be very surprised if they were not illegal in about every state in the US under either the dangerous weapons statutes or concealing a deadly weapon illegally.

    Even with all the permits I have for ccw, I would not bother carry a cane with a sword in it for serious self defense purposes. It won't go well with a jury, even if it was legally justified self defense and the sword canes are not illegal.

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    I see canes as useful for self-defense applications, but sword canes as more of
    a collection/novelty item.

    John
     
  22. Red Dragon

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    many sword canes have a blade that can be most closely related to a rapier, olympic style fencing is alright as far as training but there are many rules that would only get one confused in a potential combat situation. if possible I recommend getting rennaisance (sp?) style fencing. classes can be found if any local universities have SCA chapters (Society for Creative Anacrinisms (sp?) ) .
     
  23. The Tengu

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    Sword canes are more appropriate as collectibles. They're also probably illegal to carry publically in most areas of the United States. They are also often poorly constructed.

    You're better off carrying a solid, well-made walking cane constructed of a hardwood and using it as a blunt.

    Becoming effective with blunt cane weapons takes less training to be effective than sword training.

    Swords also have an inherent lethality, much like a handgun. The difference is you will be puncturing and cutting a human with an object in your hand. There will be resistance, impact, and blood. You will not pull a trigger and inflict damage. You will be taking a blade in your hand and slicing and stabbing an individual until they are no longer a threat to you. This kind of situation is even more personal than shooting someone.

    You will probably be better off getting some cane weapons training, as well.

    If you want to study a martial art that uses cane weapons, you can try finding an kali/escrima school. Also, several traditional Japanese martial arts such as Kukishin Ryu offer hanbo (cane) study. You can find this at Bujinkan schools or any number of koryu martial arts schools located here in the States.
     
  24. MLH

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    I believe that in Kentucky

    You could carry one as our license is for deadly weapons and not just handguns.
     
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