Shadow 7D
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No, they can go, think of all the stuff that blackwater took over, but the question of export is... will it return? Read up with the regs and call the Iraqi embassy they probably could just drop it in a red pouch and problem solved.
TA31DOC ACOG for military service?
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Shung,
..."But still is a pain to see that all of these "restricted" items are sold, perfectly legally in shops here in europe.. but of course, prices are insane"...
we get the same treatment on this side of the pond, Shung.
pls see:
http://swfa.com/Schmidt-Bender-Police-Marksman-II-Riflescopes-C165.aspx
the above linked "SWFA" has some of the best overall optics prices i have found CONUS. unless i get lucky and find one on the internet that has sat on a dealers shelf for too long.
better still, check the prices of old warriors from your country:
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/630601935/m/7961063351/p/1
the link in posting #1 is old enough that it has gone invalid. but the price is mentioned in posting #4. admitted, the gunstore it comes from is well known for ridiculous prices, but see the price quoted in posting #3, from an online auction.
i'd say the rarity of the item in your/our countries are driving the prices as much as ITAR, the schmidt and bender scopes in my first link have no import restrictions that i know of.
gunnie
..."But still is a pain to see that all of these "restricted" items are sold, perfectly legally in shops here in europe.. but of course, prices are insane"...
we get the same treatment on this side of the pond, Shung.
pls see:
http://swfa.com/Schmidt-Bender-Police-Marksman-II-Riflescopes-C165.aspx
the above linked "SWFA" has some of the best overall optics prices i have found CONUS. unless i get lucky and find one on the internet that has sat on a dealers shelf for too long.
better still, check the prices of old warriors from your country:
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/630601935/m/7961063351/p/1
the link in posting #1 is old enough that it has gone invalid. but the price is mentioned in posting #4. admitted, the gunstore it comes from is well known for ridiculous prices, but see the price quoted in posting #3, from an online auction.
i'd say the rarity of the item in your/our countries are driving the prices as much as ITAR, the schmidt and bender scopes in my first link have no import restrictions that i know of.
gunnie
dodging230grainers
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? Maybe you missed it, but I mentioned this was going to be in Israel, not Iraq/A-stan.
I still have trouble accepting that I would need approval to ship one ACOG overseas. As for getting it back into the country after, I don't care as much about that.
Does anyone know which number to call in the state dept. to ask a specific question like this? Or is calling trijicon and getting their opinion enough?
HorseSoldier
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Their contracts tend to be with the State Department. I'm thinking that if you're working for DOS, and need DOS approval to get around ITAR, you've got less problems than most folks . . .
Lots of PMCs were running around Iraq at various points with AKs and Makarovs because they did have trouble getting real kit downrange. Don't think any of those guys were working DOS contracts.
Zundfolge
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According to Trijicon's web site, they have a distributor in Israel
M. Paz Logistics
To email: [email protected]
972 9 766 1555
HaPaamon Building, Suite 214
20 Hata'as Street, P.O. Box 2242
Kfar Saba , 44425
Israel
http://www.pazlog.co.il/
So buy it when you get there.
Side note, I really like my TA01NSN ... it has iron sights on top of it (the front post has a tritium dot too).
M. Paz Logistics
To email: [email protected]
972 9 766 1555
HaPaamon Building, Suite 214
20 Hata'as Street, P.O. Box 2242
Kfar Saba , 44425
Israel
http://www.pazlog.co.il/
So buy it when you get there.
Side note, I really like my TA01NSN ... it has iron sights on top of it (the front post has a tritium dot too).
dodging230grainers
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Wow, thanks Zund...totally missed that. Guess I'm in luck after all.
steven04
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Isn't the Tavor the standard offering these days or are they still issuing M4's ? My point being, will you actually get to use an ACOG whilst you're over there ?
I have 3 ACOG's. The TA31RCOA4/ M4 and TA01NSN.
I prefer the TA31RCO Chevron reticules for snap shooting over the TA01NSN cross-hairs, although I'd imagine that a 4x optic is the last thing you'd want for CQB.
I don't have the piggy-backed RDS, so can't comment on usage, although the 'iron sights' on the TA01NSN appear to be fairly useless IMO.
I have 3 ACOG's. The TA31RCOA4/ M4 and TA01NSN.
I prefer the TA31RCO Chevron reticules for snap shooting over the TA01NSN cross-hairs, although I'd imagine that a 4x optic is the last thing you'd want for CQB.
I don't have the piggy-backed RDS, so can't comment on usage, although the 'iron sights' on the TA01NSN appear to be fairly useless IMO.
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dodging230grainers
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There are five infantry brigades in the IDF. Only two of them have fully converted to the tavor. The other three are supposed to fully transition by 2011-2012 but alot of soldiers are fighting that to keep what they are used to (M4).
And even if I got a Tavor, an ACOG fits on there quite nicely. And yeah, I never considered the TA01NSN...seems too primitive compared to the other ACOG offerings.
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