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Tables Turned...Robbery Target Arrested

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by jobu07, Jun 24, 2005.

  1. jobu07

    jobu07 Senior Member

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    http://www.iknowrochester.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=BD8469A1-30E4-4A22-96BB-E63E831651C3

    Well, I don't know what we would call this. A good stabbing instead of shoot? But, yeah, the "threat" was in the process of leaving the scene of the incident and was no longer a threat. So the gentleman in question probably shouldn't have stuck'em with the knife however tempting it was. But still... :uhoh:
     
  2. grimjaw

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    'When Smith started to walk away, police say McMurtry called 911. Smith was apprehended after police obtained a description from McMurtry.'
    'As Smith walked away, police say McMurtry took several pictures of him. These led to his prosecution.'

    I don't see that Smith attacked or threatened McMurtry. Smith threatened property, not health, and he was in the process of leaving. Without further details, looks unjustified to me.

    jmm
     
  3. ID_shooting

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    from what we know here, I call it a bad stabbing and the guy should go to jail.
     
  4. dev_null

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    Thought that stuff only happened in movies. Must've been one hell of a shot. Throw. Whatever.
     
  5. pax

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    "Take my knife. Please!"

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  6. Spreadfire Arms

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    wow,

    i wonder if the guy really knew how to throw a knife as a weapon or simply threw it at him in anger and unintentionally killed him?

    either way it would probably be deemed criminally negligent. in today's society even the fleeing felon (if auto burglary is a felony there) has rights..... :confused:
     
  7. middy

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    Not a justified homicide. He should be charged and put in prison.
    Nice throw, though. :eek:
     
  8. jason10mm

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    This is when I would have said he was winding up for a spinning jump back kick and I was in fear for my life!!

    Heck, even say you were in a scuffle and that's how he got stabbed. So long as CSI ain't on the case, you'd do ok. Of copurse, if there is a large size difference between the two men and the burglar was within 21 feet, it could still be considered justified if threats were made.
     
  9. Hypnogator

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    I always taught officers that a thrown knife represented danger of death or serious bodily injury for defensive shooting purposes, but went on to tell them I'd never heard of anyone ever actually being killed with a thrown knife. I stand corrected! :eek:
     
  10. Warren

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    Am I supposed to care about a dead thief?

    Straight up I would not vote to convict.
     
  11. MICHAEL T

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    A thief is dead. He won't steal again or take up space in jail Give the thrower a medal and let him go.
     
  12. MechAg94

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    By the letter of the law, it appears unjustified.

    What I would do as a member of a jury is another matter.
     
  13. Camel

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    I don't get the sympathy for this guy. Isn't this exactly the kind of thing we don't need when we're trying to project an image of responsible self defence? This guy not only grabbed a weapon and confronted someone who wasn't threatening him, he then killed the crook after the crook attempted to de-escalate the situation.

    One guy is a bad car thief and the other guy is some loon who throws knives at people. I know who I'd rather see in jail.
     
  14. nico

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    de-escalate the situation!?!? Are you serious?! That sure is a peachy way of describing a fleeing felon. :rolleyes: Maybe he shouldn't have escalated the situation in the first place by trying to break into someone's car. I have no sympathy for the theif, but it was a stupid thing to do legally.
     
  15. Camel

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    Last I checked walking away counted as de-escalation. In fact, I can't figure how any act could de-escalate a situation more. I'm not defending the robber but I still think the knife thrower needs to spend some time away from society. I mean seriously, who throws knives? If you saw some guy breaking into your car would your first thought be "I need to go throw a knife at that jerk!"?
     
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    no, walking away from a felony you just committed is fleeing.
     
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    Well, we can only hope that if we were on the jury, we would be INFORMED of the actions (criminally directed) of the decedent. They do weird things in court regarding letting the jury know about people's past actions.

    I wonder if the thrower's defense attorney will be allowed to introduce evidence that the decedent was attempting to steal from the defendant.

    After all, he was not convicted of that. Maybe they won't be allowed to tell the jury. So... how would we know that there was good reason to return an acquittal?

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    I presume you mean you want the knife thrower in jail if it were a choice between him and the car thief. :rolleyes:

    You'd rather imprison a guy who probably would never have harmed anyone if that someone hadn't come around looking for trouble in the first place? :banghead:

    Maybe this is a guy who's just scraping by, and his car's been broken into several times in the last year, and cost him lots of money he can't easily spare to repair the damage and replace stolen property, and he was really fed up -- the same way YOU would be if you were in his position...

    -Jeffrey
     
  19. David W. Gay

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    One thief dead- fine by me.

    Why is crime so rampant? (Besides the fact that most people are unarmed, that is.) Because criminals are allowed to "de-escalate the situation", and mearly walk away.
    They realize that the way our society works, they have more rights than their victims.

    This one, at least, met a more deserving fate...
     
  20. Sunray

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    "...McMurty threw a knife at him..." Easy. No threat of imminent harm to you or your's is manslaughter, or whatever it's called where you are. Plain and simple. You can't kill a guy for taking your tv.
    "...was attempting to steal from the defendant...." Irrelevant. Attempted theft is not a capital offence. Nor is theft. Killing a thief who is not an immediate violent threat to you or your's is murder. Period.
     
  21. David W. Gay

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    "Attempted" ANY crime may be a capital offense

    The mere act of attempting to steal something from a person implies a use of force in order to get the victim to comply, even if the tool or method of force/compliance is nothing more than the criminals hands. Hands can kill.

    Try to steal, and you might get killed. Period.

    To bad for the thief.

    Good job on the part of his intended victim.
     
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    Just I'm clear, I'm not saying the guy was justified, right, or that he shouldn't be punished. That being said, I'm amazed that people feel sorry for the theif.
     
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    Your Honor,

    As Mr. Smith was leaving, I realized that I still had my knife. Since I had told him that I gave him everything, I felt guilty. I shouted to him and when he didn't respond, I tossed the knife toward him anyway to ease my conscience... :D
     
  24. Camel

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    I'm actually a little surprised by everyone with the "Self defense means kill fleeing criminals" mindset.

    In defense of my position. I'm not the police, nor am I Batman or John Wayne. It isn't my job to grab my cowboy hat and cape and go chasing after criminals. If I see some dirtbag trying to steal my car I'm going to call the cops, then inform the dirtbag that the police are coming. I'm not going to go running out to my driveway to start an armed confrontation, and I'm certainly not going to run out and throw a knife at anybody for the crime of attempted burglary.

    It's this kind of stuff that fuels all the "blood in the streets" BS we hear from the antis.
     
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    I observed him robbing my car, at which time I placed him under Citizen's Arrest.

    He subsequently attempted to escape, at which time I used reasonable force to detain him at the scene.
     

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