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Tactical Pens

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by JShirley, Feb 19, 2013.

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  1. dayhiker

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    So why carry a "tactical" pen as opposed to a Cross or Parker? If you can't have it on you, what's the point of having it?
     
  2. JShirley

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    hso is saying he checks it in his stowed luggage, and puts it back on after the flight.
     
  3. Gordon

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    If I had to use a tactical pen I would want a rather long and slim on the sharp end one about 6" long with a flat rear surface. For last ditch defense the only move I have perfected is to jab into the eye with one hand and open palm strike the back end. I have never tried this with a pen but have for years with chop sticks. I have a couple sets of tactical chop sticks, one in titanium and one in carbon composite. To me a set of chop sticks is much more effective than a stubby pen. I'm open to see what a pen can do tho. I don't believe in nerve plexus pain compliance use tho, too old to wrassle anymore!
    guess this one might work for me
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0056DFYBG/ref=gno

    Up date: Just bought on Amazon a Night Armor Tactical Pen with Built-in Flashlight which looks like it might be handy and seems fairly well designed. I see people drill out the tip to accept Fisher style refills. I like it has a retractable tip and the flat ended LED detaches and has the clip on it!
     
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  4. Ehtereon11B

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    I like that Nightarmor pen. Then again I am all about multiple use items, ever since I was a kid. My pocket flashlight doubles as a weapon light. I have lighters (when I used to smoke) that have either flashlights or even USB drives. My watch has built has a built in compass, altimeter, thermometer. Pocket knife has a window breaker...you get the idea.

    I agree with throwing in some of the most common non tactical pens. Partly just for laughs but also to do a serious comparison compared to even the worst tactical pen. For example, spend 10 cents and get a Bic white pen, then a few more cents to get a Bic clear pen (similar to the one used in the first Bourne movie). It would be like the Mythbusters of tactical pens.
     
  5. hso

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    It goes in my laptop case as carry-on instead of checked. If I have checked bags I have a couple of knives in my shave kit.

    As soon as I approach the TSA screening station I start emptying my pockets into a zippered pocket on my laptop bag. Everything goes in except the one ID and boarding pass that the TSA need to see. That includes my pen. As soon as I'm through the scanner and putting things back in my pockets the pen goes back in place. If I put the pen in one of the pen slots beside the small flashlight I've never had anyone in the US look at it. OTOH, I've had the foreign equivalent of TSA spot the pen and examine it and half the time they've taken it claiming "You could stab someone with this.".:rolleyes:
     
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  6. bikerdoc

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    I cant contribute much as I do not own a "tactical pen."

    Within the framework of my own use of force continuum The pen is pretty low except in gun free zones when it is second behind my cane.
    My choices are the lowly Bic or Zebra. Like Gordon said I am to old to wrestle or use pain compliance. If I lose my cane I am all about stabbing eyeballs.
     
  7. conw

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    Like hso I am inclined to just stick it in my laptop bag/briefcase and it goes through the X-ray machine, then I put it back on when I put my shoes back on. Time spent without pen is about 15 minutes max.

    I don't care that much about it as an "NPE weapon" per se; I like having a pen and I like having a high-line option that is less lethal than a knife or gun for my daily life.

    In the vanishingly rare chance that I needed to do some sort of fighting on a plane, I wouldn't feel very naked without it anyway, but that's partly an advantage of ongoing training efforts, youth, and physical size, and my personal perspective on the threat profile/likely occurrences on a plane. My intent in having a pen on a plane is mostly just for the normal uses of a pen.

    It's also nice to have after disembarking into the areas surrounding airports. Sometimes it's necessary to catch a limo or taxi before one can fully Batman up again.
     
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    I bought my wife a Night Armor tactical penlight before she deployed overseas, since she won't be able to carry a sidearm or even a proper knife where she's stationed. She likes it, which is all I ask. Of course, I'd feel better if she could have her M9, but it is what it is.
     
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    I purchased the S&W Tactical Pen for about $20 on Amazon around Christmas 2011. It quickly became my daily pen - it has some heft, which I like. The refills are sort of expensive, but it does write well. In a pinch, it would prove useful for hand to hand combat.

    Heck, since I've had it I haven't had one single incident - so it must be working - right? :rolleyes:
     

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    That's the so called M&P I own also. Search for Parker refills on a site like Amazon and it isn't that costly especially if you get a knockoff version. Fisher Space Pen refills for parkers also work.
     
  11. JShirley

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    I didn't pay enough attention, and actually got the S&W Tactical Penlight- which is just a light, no pen! But I think I may get the S&W (thought probably not in time for this test).

    When I was checking what I paid for everything on Amazon, I discovered the Azan Defender and Guardian "Chrome" (color, pretty sure it's not actual chrome) have dropped to $4.99 with free shipping. Of these two, the Defender looks pretty overt, with a spike on the end, while the Guardian is sturdy, but has no inherent "tacticality": the bezel is blunt, but has no projecting crennelations, just longitudinal grooves on the end.

    I haven't started the actual target testing yet, so I can't vouch for their hardiness, but hopefully that'll happen tomorrow. I'm already at 1100 words...:scrutiny:

    The Defender and Guardian are the top 2 in this photo.
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    According to the former state police instructor a cross pen is a tactical pen. That is what Al DeBeers taught us in his street survival class at UALR back in the 1980's .
     
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    I have a Fury first line pen that I generally carry. It writes very well a feels perfect in its balance in the hand. The space pen refills are a little on the pricey side but other than that I am happy.

    The crown end of this pen is stupid sharp and I don't know how many times I got bit reaching in my front pocket to get the pen. Now I just carry it in my right back pocket clipped in. Have carried it for about 4 months now and have struck several boards and a rubber horse mat. This pen writes well and could really ruin someones day quick.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18LwwIYEK8U
     
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    Yea, I've heard that too, which is why I suggested testing one against the pens that are marketed as tactical pens.
     
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    When I saw my first "tactical" pen being offered -can't remember if it was in a catalogue, SOF magazine (I'm an old guy), or at my local police supply house.... I thought about it for a bit and decided to pass.

    I long ago decided that I was an improviser, in every sense of the word, and would react or pre-empt depending on the situation and the need. Years and years later I heard the "it's not the arrow, it's the Indian" phrase and that pretty much says it for me. With the right attitude you can be stripped naked and still be a real problem for anyone that figures you're not armed or just plain defense-less....

    Hope I never need that sort of stuff ever again.
     
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    I have been through a few times recently went an UZI tactical pen in my carry on, TSA didn't blink an eye, they were too focused on my liquid toiletries, and the sun glasses i forgot to take off my head before going though the full body scan.
     
  19. JShirley

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    I'm in testing. I didn't have a Cross, but used a Pilot pen as a control. Wouldn't want to get stabbed in the arms, hands, face, or neck with any pen. The S&W Wesson was the obvious winner of the penetration test, as expected.
     
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    I used a standard #2 pencil to get a guy to back off once. Left a "tattoo" from the lead on his hand. He didn't think that was "fair" at all, but I didn't think the difference in height and weight was fair either so I guess it all evened out.
     
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    Okay, the test is finished. One of the big challenges was finding a reasonable target that would move like people do. I finally went with coffee cans wrapped with cardboard, covered with flannel. People don't just stand still while being hit, and especially when face and arms are primary targets, I wanted a target that moved. I looped the flannel around a 4' phenolic rod inserted into a planter.

    I absolutely wouldn't get the Azan Defender, with its Spear of Destiny penetrating tip. It's too obviously weaponized, too long, and I think users will hurt themselves with it if they use it long enough.

    If I was handing out small defensive devices to female friends that worked late shifts in places I thought they could get away with it, the S&W Tactical Penlight is a AAA flashlight with a spike on one end. For $4.99 with free shipping right now, the chrome Azan Guardian seems like a best buy. All of these pens use the same ink cartridges.

    Full review at Shooting Reviews.

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    Mt first "tactical pen" experience was in middle schhol. Right after forced bussing started a pair of racist of different races got into a dispute after a breif game of the dozens.

    When things settled down a #2 pencil of your standard cedar construction was sticking from one's forearm.

    Wouldn't say a five pound roast make a more reasonable test target for a stabbing tool? Maybe even a rack of ribs?

    -kBob
     
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    a classic "Rotring" metal pen would be nice for comparison.

    It´s a classic that doesnt look like some redneck kubotan designer made it :)
     
  25. JShirley

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    Bob, 5-lb roasts and ribs aren't much like arms. Stabbing someone's ribs may hurt them, but a blow or stab to their arms or hands is (1) less extension, so safer for the defender, (2) more likely to keep you safe if you keep them from touching you (preferred) or lead to their releasing you.

    It's easy to think that we are made of meat, so therefore meat is a good simulant of effect on humans. Sure, if I had an animal that had been killed within minutes of the test, there would be some similarity: otherwise, there isn't. Time and temperature changes make little similarity between meat and live human tissue.

    John
     
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