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Taggents and powder

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by IdahoSkies, Apr 24, 2013.

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  1. IdahoSkies

    IdahoSkies Member

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    I came into the shooting world well after the brouhaha of the 1990s. So when my neighbor brought up taggents I had not idea what he was talking about.

    When I asked one of my shooting friends about what effect they would have on ammunition he told me that in the 90s the studies showed taggents caused all sorts of pressure problems and quality control problems.

    Can anyone point me to any of those studies so I can rationally explain to my neighbor (who mentions something shooting related in a negative sense almost every time I see him its seems). Thanks.
     
  2. bds

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    Perhaps this study from 1980 may help. Excerpt from pages 22-23, 165-167 and 262 - http://ota.fas.org/reports/8017.pdf

    Since then, NRA has worked to block legislations for adding taggants in smokeless powders.
     
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    You can google your own research but this is an old issue.The biggest groups objecting to this approach is the US Military and commercial explosives mfg and end users like demolition and mining companies.
    They do not want unproven additives in their products that have proven track records.Most taggents have proven ineffective as they can be easily removed from the product.
     
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    Please excuse my ignorance, but what are taggents? This is something I have never heard of before.
    Thanks,
    GS
     
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    Taggants are microscopic markers with information such as manufacturer, manufacture date, manufacture location etc. to help law enforcement investigate/track down suspects in case of bombings/threats etc.

    Of course, it didn't/would not have worked for cases such as Ted Kaczynski/Unabomber as he used match heads insteads of gunpowder that did not contain taggants.
     
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    Thanks for the education BDS.
    GS
     
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    Or it wouldn't have worked with the Boston bombers. They disassembled fire works.
     
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    To add another note, The taggants can be recovered after an explosion. With the taggants the powder can be traced to the supplier and on to the buyer.
    Taggants in gun powder was proved to be undoable by the manufacturers in smokeless powders back in the 1990's.. Since the taggants are of a different weight and density from the gun powder there is no way to keep them homogeneous (equally stirred up) in the parent smokeless gun powder.
    So if a pound of powder has ridden in a truck for several hours the taggants tend to settle or separate from the powder. When you go to reload you may get 50% taggants and 50% gun powder. Near the bottom of the can of powder you get 100% powder. There is no way to calculate load data since you never know the percentage of taggants in a particular amount of powder.
    The liberals painted the NRA as villains when the NRA opposed the measure of requirements even though the powder manufacturers testified before Congress that taggants in gun powder could not be done safely.
     
  9. bds

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    I would say you now have some good information to have that "chat" with your neighbor. :D

     
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