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Taking a gun to work?

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by s9601694, Jan 3, 2013.

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  1. ArchAngelCD

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    I think I read about a court case where the ruling gave the worker the right to leave their gun in their car where the employer prohibits carry in the workplace. The ruling stated the owners of the business had the right to prohibit carry in the workplace but not allowing the worker to leave the gun in their car amounted to disarming them off the company property all the way home and in between. Sorry I don't remember where the case was and if it was Federal or State. In my state the that law applies.
     
  2. Slipknot_Slim

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  3. Guillermo

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    Texas has some strange laws.

    Constitution was written in the reconstruction period and their goals were to disperse power rather than centralize it.

    In Texas this law was needed because private property rights trumped the right to carry.
     
  4. rswartsell

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    My employer has been good to me. That is why I am still there. Believeing in the "personal property" principles as much as I do the 2a, I allow that HE has the right to set policy within HIS business. The upshot is, regardless of state laws I follow his policy and leave the handgun in my truck in the parking lot when I report to work. I reunite with it when I start the truck to go home.

    I personally have no problem with this. I do however see the infantessimal chance of a returning disgruntaled worker shooting the joint up with my piece in the truck in the parking lot. I accept this risk with the others I face every day by getting out of bed. YMMV.
     
  5. s9601694

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    Does anyone have some sort of safe in their vehicle? Or do you just drop the gun in the mod console?


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  6. Dicktracey

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    you should look up the castle law,it says that your house,car/truckand work place is your castle and you will be allowed to carry your gun there but i beleive ther are terms to carrying at your workplace seeing how none of them are fond of that law
     
  7. Deer_Freak

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    The OP needs to have this discussion with his lawyer instead of on the world wide web. I would slip into HR and snag a copy of the company terms of employment. Then I would visit an attorney I really trust. The Op is asking questions about bringing weapons on school grounds - that is a local issue. Dude, spend $200 see an attorney to cover your ass.
     
  8. thecarfarmer

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    IMO, your employer may 'interpret' that to mean that they have the right to search your vehicle.
    QFT! I think Deer Freak has it nailed: ask HR for a copy of the Rules of Engagement... er, the company manual - I wouldn't offer any reason as to why. Then, an attorney can advise you as to your legal rights.

    Of course, if your employer gets upset that you have a gun in your car, and wants you gone, you're gonna' be gone. They don't have to have the legal authority to search your car; they can break their own company policies. In the end, you can be (falsely) charged with sexual harrassment, insubordination; re-assigned to a department somewhere worse than the seventh level of hell, have your pay and hours cut until you leave, whatever... but you'll be gone. DAMHIK.

    FWIW, I'm looking at leaving my current employer (where I reload ammo upstairs, and don't give a hoot if my gun 'prints'); may have to weigh these kind of questions myself soon. I'm thinking if I work in a place where it's flat illegal to carry, I won't carry. If it's just against some company policy... well, then I'll just take that under advisement, boss.

    Just my .02 YMMV. Void where prohibited by common sense.

    -Bill
     
  9. Slipknot_Slim

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    http://www.handgunlaw.us/
     
  10. OptimusPrime

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    This came up at my place of work several times, and I actually trusted my HR guy enough to talk to him about it. My cynical side thought that I should never even bring up the subject, but I was clean and I thought "nothing asked, nothing gained." We ended up having the best discussion about it, and I really opened his eyes to the whole thing.
    My stance was to put the onus on the state. I'm qualified and authorized by the great state of Virginia to carry anywhere in the state (with exceptions of course). So if the state deems me acceptable, the employer needs only to allow me to exercise that right. And all he had to was remove the word "not" from the company policy that said ".....not allowed to bring firearms...." A simple change, don't have to publicize it, don't have to even tell anyone. Just let it happen.
    It didn't work but at least he paid for my lunch.
     
  11. Swing

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    I'm da boss, so I pack. I encourage any staffers to do the same. :D
     
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    Unless you happen to be a Federal employee (please don't throw rotten tomatoes at me). I am not fond of federal prison really. Funny thing, they even told us in a recent e-mail we aren't supposed to have pointed scissors. How the heck am I supposed to remove sutures without pointy scissors? Our cops all carry M9's buy they all hang out in their office so it would be a bloodbath if anyone decided to shoot the place up.
     
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    Hell yeah, that's why I park across the street. Lol
     
  14. Hit_Factor

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    Think about that before you do. It might raise suspicions. If you want to take your employee manual to your lawyer for an opinion that might be better.
     
  15. s9601694

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    Not the type of company I work for. We're all friends. ;)


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  16. Citizen_soldier22

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    My job is replaceable, my life is not.

    Using an ankle holster for my LCP and keeping an extra mag in my back pocket has yet to be noticed by any fellow employee, boss, or customer I've dealt with.
     
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    Then do the honorable thing and replace your job at a place where you won't be breaking the rules of the owner.

    Here in FL, you can have your gun in your car in their parking lot, but if it is a no-no inside the building, then you will have zero recourse against your termination.
     
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    I think this is a state by state issue. There have been some states passing laws to define that employers can't do this for "public" parking lots (even though they own the lot space). Generally, they'll always be able to control/inspect the contents of a vehicle "inside a gated/fenced perimeter". So for my employer, I'd at least have to park outside the gated lots.

    But currently, in most states I think the employer still has the right to restrict the contents of employee owned/driven cars anywhere on their property. Oklahoma, I think, was where this issue erupted last time, but don't think there's been any resolution yet.
     
  19. Driveway

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    It never happened because of scheduling conflicts, but my current employer wanted to pay for everyone to go to a CCW class. Might help that our pilots are REQUIRED to have their own gun. (Tax write off, anyone?)

    But, yeah, private property, they have the right to say no to guns. You don't have to work for them. I'd respect their choice and see if I could help educate them if it were that important to me.

    As many have said before, state laws vary. Including the status of your vehicle. Check em out for yourself.
     
  20. Isaac-1

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    Back to the original question for a moment, do you need to carry concealed to and from work. For example if your normal routine is to drive directly home from work then the gun accessible in the car should work as well if not bettery than carrying concealed
     
  21. birddog

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    As others have said, this is oversimplified in many regards and, for some workplaces, totally wrong.

    I work on hazardous sites. I'm not allowed to carry there. And if you think, after 9-11, that giant chemical plants are soft targets, you're totally wrong.

    Think about it.

    That said, I do wish guns weren't prohibited for those of us who legally carry.
     
  22. PabloJ

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    When politicians get their act together they will close down the gun show loophole (no gun sales w/o background check) and anyone with gun stolen from unattended car will be be found to be negligent. Looks like given no gun at work policy means gun stays at home stored safely in gun vault.
     
  23. SaxonPig

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    Since I work in a state office state law prohibits guns in my workplace and the property is posted no guns allowed also making it a criminal offense to have a gun on the property (including the parking lot). So while I don't like it, I am unarmed when I go to work. Makes it very inconvenient if I plan to go shopping or run errands after work because I either have to go home and get my gun or go unarmed.
     
  24. Guillermo

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    In this litigious world employee rules and handbooks are often written by attorneys that have never set foot in the company or know the owner. Because of this I do not see this as an issue of honor.

    Remember, the attorney does not care whether you live or die, just limiting the liability to his client, in this case, the business owner.
     
  25. oneounceload

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    It does not matter whether it is a lawyer or the true wishes of the employer
    It is his house and his rules, and if you don't like them you have choices, convince them to change or find another job. If you cannot be trusted to obey company rules on company property, why should they trust you at all?

    To others, here in Florida, with VERY few exceptions an employer cannot prohibit you having your gun locked in your car in their parking lot. The obvious exceptions are work locales that fall under Homeland Security
     
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