Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by s9601694, Jan 3, 2013.
Constitution was written in the reconstruction period and their goals were to disperse power rather than centralize it.
In Texas this law was needed because private property rights trumped the right to carry.
I personally have no problem with this. I do however see the infantessimal chance of a returning disgruntaled worker shooting the joint up with my piece in the truck in the parking lot. I accept this risk with the others I face every day by getting out of bed. YMMV.
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IMO, your employer may 'interpret' that to mean that they have the right to search your vehicle.
QFT! I think Deer Freak has it nailed: ask HR for a copy of the Rules of Engagement... er, the company manual - I wouldn't offer any reason as to why. Then, an attorney can advise you as to your legal rights.
Of course, if your employer gets upset that you have a gun in your car, and wants you gone, you're gonna' be gone. They don't have to have the legal authority to search your car; they can break their own company policies. In the end, you can be (falsely) charged with sexual harrassment, insubordination; re-assigned to a department somewhere worse than the seventh level of hell, have your pay and hours cut until you leave, whatever... but you'll be gone. DAMHIK.
FWIW, I'm looking at leaving my current employer (where I reload ammo upstairs, and don't give a hoot if my gun 'prints'); may have to weigh these kind of questions myself soon. I'm thinking if I work in a place where it's flat illegal to carry, I won't carry. If it's just against some company policy... well, then I'll just take that under advisement, boss.
Just my .02 YMMV. Void where prohibited by common sense.
My stance was to put the onus on the state. I'm qualified and authorized by the great state of Virginia to carry anywhere in the state (with exceptions of course). So if the state deems me acceptable, the employer needs only to allow me to exercise that right. And all he had to was remove the word "not" from the company policy that said ".....not allowed to bring firearms...." A simple change, don't have to publicize it, don't have to even tell anyone. Just let it happen.
It didn't work but at least he paid for my lunch.
I'm da boss, so I pack. I encourage any staffers to do the same.
Think about that before you do. It might raise suspicions. If you want to take your employee manual to your lawyer for an opinion that might be better.
Using an ankle holster for my LCP and keeping an extra mag in my back pocket has yet to be noticed by any fellow employee, boss, or customer I've dealt with.
Then do the honorable thing and replace your job at a place where you won't be breaking the rules of the owner.
Here in FL, you can have your gun in your car in their parking lot, but if it is a no-no inside the building, then you will have zero recourse against your termination.
But currently, in most states I think the employer still has the right to restrict the contents of employee owned/driven cars anywhere on their property. Oklahoma, I think, was where this issue erupted last time, but don't think there's been any resolution yet.
But, yeah, private property, they have the right to say no to guns. You don't have to work for them. I'd respect their choice and see if I could help educate them if it were that important to me.
As many have said before, state laws vary. Including the status of your vehicle. Check em out for yourself.
As others have said, this is oversimplified in many regards and, for some workplaces, totally wrong.
I work on hazardous sites. I'm not allowed to carry there. And if you think, after 9-11, that giant chemical plants are soft targets, you're totally wrong.
Think about it.
That said, I do wish guns weren't prohibited for those of us who legally carry.
In this litigious world employee rules and handbooks are often written by attorneys that have never set foot in the company or know the owner. Because of this I do not see this as an issue of honor.
Remember, the attorney does not care whether you live or die, just limiting the liability to his client, in this case, the business owner.
It is his house and his rules, and if you don't like them you have choices, convince them to change or find another job. If you cannot be trusted to obey company rules on company property, why should they trust you at all?
To others, here in Florida, with VERY few exceptions an employer cannot prohibit you having your gun locked in your car in their parking lot. The obvious exceptions are work locales that fall under Homeland Security
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