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Taking Action to Allow Import of 100,000 M-1 Rifles from Korea

Discussion in 'Activism' started by Mr.Davis, Aug 31, 2010.

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  1. Mr.Davis

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    Taking Action to Allow Import of M-1 Rifles from Korea

    I'm sure many of you have heard about the large number of M-1 Garands and M-1 Carbine rifles that the South Korean government is attempting to sell to a US importer.

    Little detailed information available about this issue, but here's what we know so far:

    Korean Times: US opposes Seoul’s bid to sell old rifles

    Fox News: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles


    It appears that the import ban is politically motivated. According to the Fox News article, the Obama Administration approved the import of the rifles, then quietly reversed their decision in March of this year.

    That said, let's get a letter-writing campaign going to gather factual information as to why the import was denied and to demand pressure be applied to allow the rifles to be imported in compliance with current regulations. Here's a letter I sent to my two Senators and my Representative. Please feel free to excerpt or steal the whole letter for your purposes.

    Please report back any concrete information you receive from your congresscritter so we can determine the next steps that should be taken.

    Contact Info for Representatives
    Contact Info for Senators

    My letter:
    EDIT: Adjusted letter to include better information which has come to light since the first draft.
     
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  2. TriTone

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    Sounds good to me, Thanks for the letter! I'll be using it!
     
  3. jeepguy

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    why cant the cmp get involved? can the gov't stop them as they were created by the gov't? at least i think they were.
     
  4. Mr.Davis

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    The CMP is apparently not involved at all with the import of these rifles. It appears that a private firm is attempting to import them. If they're indeed lend-lease rifles, then under the terms of the agreement they'd have to be returned to the US for free, meaning they could ultimately be sold through the CMP.

    The main thrust of my letter is to find out what the heck is going on, since there's virtually no information about this issue available.
     
  5. FenderTK421

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    Been scouring the net for more info on this. Thanks for the letter, I will be using it.
     
  6. Rail Driver

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    I've sent my copies of the letter to my congressman and senators. Thanks guys.
     
  7. TriTone

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    Sent as well.

    I would like to encourage any and all replies from elected officials to be posted to help keep each other in the loop.
     
  8. Carl N. Brown

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    Was a lot of discussion at Volokh Conspiracy over this. Post opened by Dave Kopel.

    Korean Times quoted Anony Moose U.S. official saying sale was blocked over safety concerns about the guns and fears that the guns could fall into the wrong hands.

    Actually may be concerns whether the guns were Korean War Era (early 1950s) loans to the Koreans (which means they should be returned to the US govt (if true hopefully to CMP)) or were purchased by the Koreans and could be sold to a US importer like Century. If that was the real reason, then why the story about "dangerous guns" or "wrong hands" excuse?

    IIRC the first wave of Korean re-imports of M1s in late 1980s were guns that the Korean govt had paperwork they had bought (M1s imported by outfits like Blue Sky of Arlington VA). Story goes the guns surplussed in the late 1980s were less desirable examples and the guns retained by the Koreans were better quality for military reserve purposes.

    Also questions were raised that the guns were being kept out by US to protect domestic manufacturers or the value of gun collectors' M1 collections, but that sounded like speculation. Or the excuses used since the 1960s to keep out military surplus (nothing unique to the Obama Administration).
     
  9. Carl N. Brown

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    Oh, the draft letter is a good summary of all issues, and avoids soapboxing.

    Above all, folks, be aware of the speculation about various reasons, but as the draft letter states, the reasons for the bar on re-import are not clear.
     
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    Emails sent!
     
  11. Domineaux

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    Mails sent as well. Will post any reply received.
     
  12. rscalzo

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    A portion of these rifles had been released in 2006. Most were so low that few really wanted them. Don't expect Servive Grade. The CMP will not be involved nor do they want them. Tells you something.

    This rumor has been going around for some time. So far the only source has been a Korean news media outlet. Sounds like they are trying to build interest in their sale.
     
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    Nice letter, I sent it to Harry Reid, John Ensign and Dina Titus.
     
  14. peyton

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    Thanks for the letter! I sent to the texas bunch. I own both M-1 Garand and M-1 Carbine and would hate to see these rifles melted down!!
     
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    Emailed my Congressman and Senator. I'd love to get my hands on a M1 Carbine one of these days.
     
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    Include the specs for the Garand in your letters and links from the CMP. A 43 inch rifle weighing 10 lbs and limited to a capacity of only 8 rounds and acceptable even in California is hardly a gang-bangers weapon.
     
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    I wrote my own email. A bit more succinct but still polite and non-accusatory. It's important to get some awareness of this sort of subject. Good job pointing this out and getting some actions started!

    Thanks to the OP!

    Paul
     
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    If the guns were going to the CMP, then I would actually be concerned, but since it's some S.Korean buisness (which is rife with kickbacks and nepotism) I could care less.

    Any private importer/distributer is going to jack up the prices far beyond what they are actually worth, whereas the CMP deals honestly and at resonable prices, plus I hate to see a country which has benefited from America's protection and commerce for sixty years make money selling us our own rifles back to us.
     
  19. Mr.Davis

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    It's quite unclear whether they belong to us or Korea, so I request that we withhold hearsay and speculation from this thread. Unless of course you have information to this effect, in which case it would be highly appreciated if you'd share it.

    I'd also like to point out that it will be virtually impossible to maintain super-high pricing on these weapons, since it seems the Koreans seem intent on selling over 100,000 of them, which will probably overwhelm the market demand. Even if one importer only buys ten or twenty thousand, they'll just sell the rest to another importer until they're all gone.

    If we're lucky, they're US Government property and can be returned and sold through the CMP. Ultimately, though, who cares how they get back here - law abiding Americans should have the opportunity to buy them.
     
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    wideym i agree with you mostly but those rifles are ours(us) they are part of our history and i would rather they be imported and the prices jacked up then destroyed.
     
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    I wrote my Congress members, so I've done my part. We need to keep the pressure on, this administration has caved to determined gun owners every time, with the exception of the Supreme Court. Let's not let them develop a backbone!
     
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    Here is a little more info:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...everses-course-forbids-sale-antique-m-rifles/

    Makes me want to :barf::barf::barf::barf::barf::barf::barf:

    I'll be contacting my elected officials for sure on this one!
     
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  23. Mr.Davis

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    Thanks for the Fox article. 770,000 M1 Carbines? Holy....
     
  24. Carl N. Brown

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    Some have dismissed this as just David Kopel quoting somebody at Korean Times saying this. I said three independent sources not quoting each other would be preferable. Now Fox News and Handgun Control Inc (Brady Campaign) have chimed in with seperate sources (ie, they aint quoting Korean Times). Its probably a real story.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...everses-course-forbids-sale-antique-m-rifles/

    The sale was approved last year then reversed this March. Reason given to Fox News by State Dept: "The transfer of such a large number of weapons -- 87,310 M1 Garands and 770,160 M1 Carbines -- could potentially be exploited by individuals seeking firearms for illicit purposes."

    Dennis Henigan of the Brady Campaign weighed in with: "Guns that can take high-capacity magazines are a threat to public safety..... Why let them into the country in the first place? If there is a legally sufficient way to keep them out, we think it's perfectly reasonable to do so.... They clearly were used as military guns, and the fact that they likely can take high-capacity magazines makes them a special safety concern."

    When Fox News asked why the M1s were a special danger, State Dept passed the questioner to ATF. ATF diddled for two days and referred the questioner to the Justice Dept and Justice spokesman Dean Boyd sent the questioner back to the State Dept.
     
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    Here is what I wrote this evening.

     
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