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Talk me into/ out of a Sig p225

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by dumbhunter, Jun 9, 2019.

  1. dumbhunter

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    Edit: should have read p225a1.....

    Hey guys,

    So I'm really wanting a Sig p225. I kind of really, reeeaalllllllly want one. They are really pretty pistols and the whole single stack 9mm thing scratches my strange gun itch, but I'm having a hard time justifying a small for a big gun/ big for a small gun/ weighs more than a 1911 lightweight commanderI/ 'm probably never going carry it pistol. Plus I already have a p229... and it's like $1000.


    So, what do you guys think? Anyone have one have one or shot one? Anything good or bad I should know?



    Thanks all

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  2. Jim Watson

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    Pro: The grip profile is plumb sensuous, it just feels good in the hand.
    Con: It is a single stack, a P228 is hardly any bigger but gives you more tries.
    The butt is rounded comfortably but it is also at a straighter angle and it comes up a bit low. Both were changed from P220 along with shorter barrel to meet size requirements of German police.
    This also affected trigger linkage, the DA trigger pull is appreciably heavier than other P guns. The real police surplus P6s are really tough.
    M. Ayoob says they are less reliable than double stack Sigs, although mine is 100%.
    Magazine availability seems marginal.

    Me?
    I bought mine on the basis of looks, feel, and polizei service record, it was the most widely used of the P5, P6, P7 series. Mine was not expensive, I grabbed it immediately after it was traded for a Glock by a local copchick who had bought it for the small grip but saw the light on single trigger, magazine capacity and commonality with most of the rest of the department.
    I wouldn't do it again.

    Above applies on real P225, not the odd P225A1 which has very little in common.
     
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  3. Janos Dracwlya

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    The P225 is a great carry gun, or at least it was for me. Sure, other guns are either smaller or hold more rounds, but it's reliable, accurate and easy to carry. I carried mine for over ten years, and still consider it as one of my backup carry guns. There are few guns that I love more.
     
  4. dumbhunter

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    Jim,
    Thank you for the reply, but I was actually asking about the new p225a1... I should have been more clear. Thanks!
     
  5. Jim Watson

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    Yes, it is an entirely different gun. Nothing I said about original P225 applies except "single stack."

    I think they could have just carved out a P225 shaped grip inletted to the P235 frame and called it good.
     
  6. bannockburn

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    Nice ergos on the P225 A1 but for that kind of money a single stack 9mm. just isn't going to do it for me. Would much more prefer an M11 A1 or a used P228.
     
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  7. dumbhunter

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    I'm not too concerned with capacity since I will probably not carry it. I already have a p229 which fits the footprint of the 228/m11. Also, I prefer the machined, one piece slide of the p229 over the p228. I know many like the 228 beter and feel the lighter, stamped slide gives a beter balance, but I like the machined slide ... just my pre
     
  8. SharpDog

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    You really don't want to get a p225:

    1. It is too reliable so you won't get any practice clearing
    2. It is too accurate so you won't get to fire as many rounds
    3. It is too good of a pistol so you won't use any of your other pistols
    4. It is so good looking your wife will get jealous

    :D
     
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  9. NIGHTLORD40K

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    Well if your not going to carry it, why not this for a show stopper at the range-
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    New P210 standard, not really that much more than the 225a1 and mucher bigger "wow" factor and resale value.

    BTW, the original P225 and P6 are fantastic. Grab one if you can, dont worry about the slide or age, youre highly unlikely to break it with gentle range use. Mine is cosmetically challenged, but mechanically perfect and it goes everywhere with me. It has never malfunctioned, not once, in thousands of rounds and the slide and breech block are still tight as a drum.
     
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  10. Old Dog

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    I have one. I love this pistol. Yes, its capacity is limited. Yes, it doesn't have the cachet of the original P-225. (And I am a collector and huge life-long fan of the old West German SIGs)

    There's nothing bad I could say about this pistol. It conceals so well. Such a soft shooter.

    It's better than the original 225. Possibly one of the most ergonomic pistols ever produced. Sweet trigger. Great sights. Did I mention I love this pistol?

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  11. HPCadm17

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    Well, I had one, a Classic Wood model, but traded it for a rifle. The P225A1 is a great size, shoots nice, but the slide-to-frame fit on mine was excessively loose, which bothered me. I'm finding the fit and quality on newer SIGs to be hit or miss. Still, I'd buy another P225A1 with G10 grips if I found one that was put together well. They are well-balanced, great shooting, handsome little pistols.
     
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  12. WVsig

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    It was my understanding it was built around the P239. The mags are the same IIRC except for the base plate. I am not a fan of the P225 A1 it just feels wrong to me. I do however love my W German P225. The feel in the hand and balance is different then the 225 A1. That said i prefer the P228 over them all.
     
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  13. L-2

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    Just an FYI.
    Do make a distinction between the latest P225A1 and the older/discontinued P225.
    About the only thing shared between the two different guns is part of the model number and 9mm ammo.
     
  14. SharpDog

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    BTW this is an m11a1 (new p225), I like it for the internal phosphate coating (and it looks nice). You may be looking at the original version:

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  15. wojownik

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    This thread is bouncing all over the place. The M11a1 is not the new p225 (or p225-A1) - the M11a1 comes from the p228/p228 lineage. And The p225-A1 and p225 are different animals, as Jim Watson and others pointed out - aside from sharing the "225" and 9mm, they are not interchangeable. Even the single stack mag is incompatible, which is a baffling design decision to me.

    Cons on the new p225-A1 include
    - relatively high the price of this single stack pistol,
    - incompatibility with other p225 components,
    - relatively large frame size for a single stack (my double stack p228s and p229s are not much larger). Even if it is never to be carried, I'd much prefer a nightstand pistol with greater capacity.

    Pros on the p225-A1 (and note that the "pros" are both upgrade options:
    - the short reset trigger is an available option (I personally don't like it, but YMMV).
    - The 3-dot night sights are useful upgrade option (though its another $100 on an already overpriced product, IMHO).

    Maybe I should have started with my biases - I have several p225 variants (including the good old p6 police pistol). I've acquired most for a third of the MSRP of the p225-A1 (yes, back in the day...). Again, I thought Sigs pricing of the p225-A1 was out of whack. I don't think the p225-A1 is ever going to be a collectible or something with a "following" like the original p225 or p228. And while I enjoy shooting my p225s, I think that other Sig pistols deliver more for a "working gun" - like the p229.

    As always, opinions are worth what you pay for them (and usually less...)...

     
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  16. Rio Laxas

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    It pains me to say this, but even though I really wanted to like the P225, I found it did not fit me well at all. I consider the P226 to be my go to full size pistol, so I figured that I would have a similar experience with the P225. I found a real W. German P225, not a P6, and I just could not shoot it well. While I liked the shorter grip for concealment, I think that is what didn't fit. I reluctantly got rid of it.
     
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  17. Plan2Live

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    I've been thinking about buying a 225A-1 as well. I carried a P239 for several years and loved it. Last year my son graduated college and wanted the 239 so I let him have it as a graduation present. I prefer DA/SA hammer fired configuration for carry and I doubt I'll run into a rogue Spetznaz hit team trying to take me out so 8+1 with a spare magazine is sufficient for my needs. The one thing that held me back from buying several months ago was spare magazines were listed as out of stock. I don't monitor Sig's website daily so I can't tell you when they restocked them but they are available now.

    I would warn you to buy one now if you want one. At one time Sig's website showed four variants of this pistol (Nitron, Classic, Bitone, Threaded Barrel) but currently only show one variant, the Nitron. My fear is Sig is cleaning out the inventory and will be discontinuing this fine handgun. Let us know if you take the plunge.
     
  18. Old Dog

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    As shown below, the P-225A1 is slimmer with sleeker lines than the P-229 Legion. I've carried it often as it conceals quite well in a Kramer Belt Scabbard (OWB pancake in horsehide). I sure don't feel handicapped with nine rounds of good JHP fast-movers on tap and two spare mags. Comparing the new P-225 to the original 225 or P6 is not really worthwhile; as noted, they're dissimilar in a few ways. But, in my opinion, the 225A1 is a much superior weapon. Undercut trigger guard, excellent frontstrap checkering, superb G10 grips, superior SIGLite nightsights and a really, really good SRT trigger.

    It's mainly the hidebound SIG traditionalists who decry the new model and say it's not a worthy update. Maybe SIG should have given it a brand-new model number.

    For the record, I own several West German SIG pistols, love and shoot every one. I don't feel under-armed with any of them. They're just different guns is all.

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  19. Olympus

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    Are you talking about a "real" P225 or one of the new P225 "copies"? Having always been a fan of the original P6 and P225 pistols, and having owned both also, I just can't get past the non-original look of these new P225 models that Sig reintroduced. I guess if you were not around during the time of the original P225, then you're not missing out on anything with these new P225 guns. But for me, it's all in the trigger guard and the new P225 just doesn't do the original P225 justice. Not to mention you can buy an original P6 or P225 for about half of the cost of these new P225 guns.
     
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    From OP:
    Well, I certainly was around at the time of the original P-225, and as I stated earlier, I believe the P-225A1 to be a superior pistol. Apparently you did not read my post #18.
     
  21. Pat Riot

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    Talk me into/ out of a Sig p225

    Buy it...no don’t...ahhh, no, go ahead...buy it. :D
     
  22. Theohazard

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    No, your M11A1 isn’t a new P225, it’s a P229 that has been configured to be similar to the M11/P228 (no rail, non-E2 grips, etc.) and given a few upgrades (internal coating, SRT trigger, cerakote, etc.).

    OP: If you want a P225A1, get it. Me, I don’t have a use for a gun the size of my G19 that holds half the rounds unless it’s a real, original P225 (or P6). If I bought a real P225 it would simply be for nostalgia purposes (when I first got into guns as a kid back in the late 80s/early 90s the P225 was one of the guns I loved reading about in the gun magazines). I’d probably carry it occasionally just for the heck of it, but it would be one of the few guns I own that I have no purpose for, I just bought it because I like it.
     
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